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To be worried about Coronavirus part 5

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idontusuallypanic · 26/02/2020 17:46

Parents here are very upset about kids from Milan being at school today.

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Choux · 27/02/2020 16:08

So of the two cases confirmed this morning one is in Buxton. And the other? Why would the gov not say where?

I'm wondering if this story about Chevron and Crossrail who share a building in canary wharf and have both told staff to work from home is related. The story was someone in chevron was being tested so they went home but why Crossrail staff as well? With each company having secure floors in the building, Crossrail staff are probably less at risk than the people who get the 7.57 train from Putney or however the suspected case gets into work.
London firms sending staff home amid coronavirus fears www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51643621

Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 16:09

Of Warren thank you.

One hopes they have to be tested now?
Otherwise how do we know the school is OK?

woodencoffeetable · 27/02/2020 16:10

cosmos too early to tell.
situation changes daily, really.

dc school informed us that all school trips are cancelled for the next 2 months.

LarkDescending · 27/02/2020 16:11

I'd think flights are likely to continue other than where they are cancelled due to lack of demand or governments barring arrivals from certain destinations. There's no reason to think that flights between Ireland and the UK (if that's what you mean) are under threat at the moment, or likely to be in the foreseeable future.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 16:11

I think it's a disgrace our government won't tell us where the cases are. We wouldn't have known about Buxton if it hadn't have been gif the local press.

TartanTexan · 27/02/2020 16:11

Why didn’t the world react to swine flu in the same way? Were schools closed? Was there widespread panic & stockpiling?

Cosmos45 · 27/02/2020 16:13

@LarkDescending and Wooden - thank you.

VivaLeBeaver · 27/02/2020 16:15

Why didn’t the world react to swine flu in the same way?

I don’t think it was as infectious and didn’t have as high a mortality rate.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 16:15

From what I remember of swine flu, schools were closed as it affected children quite badly

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 16:18

An A&E consultant just wrote this on twitter:
It’s official: ‘business as usual’ in the NHS until someone in a high place says otherwise.
No staff released for training. No extra equipment. No intense preparation. Carry on as usual.
A wasted opportunity we will come to regret?
#NHS
#coronavirusuk
#covid19UK
#sarscov2uk

Choux · 27/02/2020 16:18

@tartantexan. Everything @VivaLeBeaver sai.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009fluu_pandemic

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:21

Does anyone have a feel for what might happen with regards to flights to other countries over the coming weeks? Or is that just too difficult to tell? specifically Ireland I am thinking. Just pondering..

Too difficult to tell at this stage.

Some flights will continue, but airlines will be keen to keep losses to a minimum. So if there is very low demand they won't fly.

It also depends on what the FCO travel advice is to an area. If we see another similar outbreak to the Italian one, then we might get warnings preventing all but essential travel.

It depends on government policy of each individual country too. Some countries are being more strict than others. For example lots of countries have been banning flights to Iran.

And then there is the issue of what if we are the country with the big outbreak. Will other countries let us in? The assumption at the moment is that things will be just fine here. Thats a little premature. We simply don't know.

For the most part I think the EU will keep its borders as open as possible, because of political reasons. There in lies a bit of an issue for the UK... Especially if we are being difficult over Brexit.

Its a question of sitting tight and seeing what happens.

We have yet to book a holiday for this year, and we won't be doing so for a while now. I think we'll probably end up giving it a miss or booking at the last minute. Its too uncertain to do anything else given we are committed.

I would check your travel insurance to see if it covers you if you find yourself in a pandemic. Not all policies will cover you. (I know that some do, because I have already checked the small print on mine - its a bank account linked insurance package).

TartanTexan · 27/02/2020 16:22

Thank you, I should have looked it up. Comparatively, as you say, that’s a much lower death rate that swine flu.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 16:23
  • An A&E consultant just wrote this on twitter: It’s official: ‘business as usual’ in the NHS until someone in a high place says otherwise. No staff released for training. No extra equipment. No intense preparation. Carry on as usual.*

FFS.

This is mounting evidence that the Govt don't really give that much of a shit.

They've been told repeatedly for weeks to use the window of opportunity being provided by China's lockdown to mitigate the number of deaths we see.

This is negligent IMO.

I wonder if the 60+ that voted for Boris will be quite so pleased that they did - was Brexit worth dying for?

tryingtoprep · 27/02/2020 16:26

I agree that we should be told where the cases are. Choux I wonder too whether the second case confirmed today is linked to Chevron and Crossrail in London.

The tests seem to be quite inaccurate, I've heard? There's definitely been lots of false negatives. Is there really reinfection or perhaps just another false negative. Maybe the person hadn't really recovered? On that note, is the UK government relying on one test only for suspected cases? As we know many cases have initially tested negative, some several times, before finally testing positive.

Parker231 · 27/02/2020 16:26

The risk to the public is still low.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 16:28

The risk to the public is still low

Right now, yes.

In a month's time, almost certainly not.

Cosmos45 · 27/02/2020 16:28

@RedToothBrush - thank you for your reply.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 27/02/2020 16:33

Today 15:07 ofwarren

Yes, as of today - as it’s a custody
Visit for kids
To see the non resident parent and we only transit through North Italy

However we have to see , as if the FCO ban it ...... well we are screwed insurance wise

For a holiday I wouldn’t mind so much

LarkDescending · 27/02/2020 16:37

Reports suggest China has its first imported case (from Iran) - back on 20 February.

Welshwabbit · 27/02/2020 16:39

@TartanTexan this Wiki article sets out the timeline of how the UK responded to the swine flu pandemic. Schools were closed initially but when the number of cases climbed into the thousands, the attempt to contain the virus was abandoned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom

See also this Guardian article:

www.theguardian.com/society/2009/jul/20/swine-flu-school-closures

Lycidas · 27/02/2020 16:40

The risk to the public also appeared low in Italy...two weeks ago. It’s called an incubation period.

TartanTexan · 27/02/2020 16:40

Thank you

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:42

bbc live feed stating the following:

UK plans for worst-case scenario

The BBC's Newsnight programme understands that the Cabinet Office has been in contact with local authorities about their preparedness, specifically with regard to their “Excess Death Contingency Planning”. This includes, among other things, where local authorities might locate new, and perhaps mass, burial sites, should they be needed.

The government stresses that these are worst-case contingency plans and a Whitehall source confirms that they have been done before, albeit rarely, for example at the time of the 2009 Sars outbreak.

A Cabinet Office spokesman said: “We have been clear from the outset that we expect coronavirus to have some impact on the UK, which is why we are planning for every eventuality – including the reasonable worst case scenario. Crucially this does not mean we expect it to happen."

Ponders: Who does the high risk COVID-19 related work and how will they recruit?

VivaLeBeaver · 27/02/2020 16:42

This is mounting evidence that the Govt don't really give that much of a shit.

Maybe Corvid will get rid of a few of the idiots. Silver lining and all that.

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