To be worried about coronavirus part 4

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I looked and couldn't see another 4th thread.

I'm personally worried this morning as I've heard that two students ds goes to school with have just returned from Milan where cases have just rocketed.

I can imagine there's hundreds of kids out there back from skiing holidays with a cough/cold. This will be the first big test of the NHS response.

Are you in Cheshire Angelic?

I can imagine people on zero hour contracts returning from a holiday and not mentioning that they feel unwell because they can’t afford to not get paid

Ditto ppl due to attend Job Centre appointments. They will also keep quiet due to fear of a benefit sanction.

Fact is its probably out and about in the UK already - as many have said, most symptoms are mild.

I'm one of those who would not be about to self isolate simply because of the economic impact on my household (I'm the main earner and self employed).

My mother would be at risk from it - 76 with underlying conditions - but she's quite sanguine about it with the view that we all have to die of something at some point and if your number is up it up.

I'm of the view we'd all be better to get it sooner than later before it has a chance to mutate. The economic impact would be less than a long drawn out staggering of chaos.

I'm more concerned about the affect on the economy than anything else.

I agree ACautionaryTale. In many ways I'd rather get it out and done with - and if you're going to get it then you might as well do so before hospitals are completely overwhelmed. Having said that, I think the science suggests that as viruses mutate they tend to become less deadly simply because there is no real benefit it killing the host.

I'm of the view we'd all be better to get it sooner than later before it has a chance to mutate.

You don't actually think it works like that, do you?

I'm just coming down with a cold now (4th of the season). If I had a solid reason to think it were coronavirus I could and would self isolate but I certainly cant afford to take 2 weeks off work each time I have a cold on the off-chance.

I think the science suggests that as viruses mutate they tend to become less deadly simply because there is no real benefit it killing the host.

Science says that it depends on a series of factors.

It also happens that people start becoming immune, or the most susceptible die in the process. So, it's the population that changes due to the virus.

No but I do know that viruses mutate. Sometimes they get less deadly, ,sometimes more.

I just think I'd rather get the whole thing over with,

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Well I think cat is out of the bag there then...

If it mutates, a possibility increased with each new host, you're just as vulnerable to the new strain. Moreso in some cases.

If we all got it “sooner rather than later” the economic impact could be disastrous.

Every day’s delay gets us closer to the roll-out of effective treatments, perhaps a vaccine, and the publication of research on existing cases leading to a better understanding of the natural course of the disease, risk factors etc.

Most mutations won't make a blind bit of difference to the virus or to an individual's response, though. It is NOT the case that a mutation means you lose immunity. Please nobody listen to this.

To the pp who said if you are on ZHC its not applicable because its an unlikely scenario that you would have been abroad. Well if this will only affect those who have been abroad then why these threads then??!! You dont have to have been abroad but only in slight contact with someone who has or slight contact with the someone who has been in contact with someone abroad.

Back in February 2008 i went to bed feeling normal but became ill overnight. Lot of sharp stomach pain diarrheoa like lava and i lost conciousness.

i was taken to hospital, was told i had a kidney infection and put on a drip.

But then i had a visit in my hospital room from an official who asked me if i had been abroad and where.
Not since 1986 i said (which is still true) AFAIK its still a kidney infection that i had then.

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Most people use "mutate" to mean change and I won't bother going into the minutiae of mutations and recombination here. Theres no point.

The virus can indeed change with time. If there are substantial changes in key areas, people who were immune to previous versions may well not be to the new version. Flu viruses are successful because they change so much that they are able to reinfect the same population some time later.
Other viruses are more stable and rely on a susceptible sub-population (usually children).

We simply don't know when it would be a good time to get it.
Ideally, never. And I'd reinforce the idea of keeping good hand hygiene, and washing as much as possible things that have been in contact with other hands. That includes fruit.

At the very least if you get it, it will have been a lower dose and your immune system may well be able to fight it more effectively.

Anyone else a bit puzzled by the way you can apparently acquire this virus more than once. This is thought to possibly be a factor amongst others, such as viral load & exhaustion in the tragic deaths of the previously healthy young doctors.
However plasma immunotherapy has reportedly been used to treat very ill patients with good success in China. So does the body mount a temporarily effective immuno response ?

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Coronavirus: Northern Ireland schools' pupils isolated as precaution after Italy trips

This will probably be not quite there but the theory can be you loose immunity over time, or the first infection could possibly open a pathway for a second possibly worse infection. However we need someone who understands ADE to explain that

Personally I think the whole world should be on lockdown and self isolate for a month. Yes, the global economy would take a massive beating (but many of us can work from home to keep the basics ticking over) but surely by then the virus would be "contained" enough to know exactly who has it and who hasn't and if we self isolated for two months surely the virus would have pretty much died out altogether? Or at the very least retreated enough to allow medical agencies and supplies to recover a little? All a bit dramatic but surely better than a global pandemic? 🤷🏻‍♀️

It depends on the type of immunity. Long term immunity is only part of the immune response. For some diseases the most appropriate immune response is not the kind that leads to long term immunity.
Some people may not be able to mount an appropriate long term immunity. It happens with vaccines.

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@Fifilafrog that would probably kill more people through starvation, disease and neglect than coronavirus ever would. Or are you imagining a world where clean water keeps magically flowing from your taps and your waste is spirited away by pixies? And can you really work from home with no electricity?

@Fifilafrog how is that actually possible? We all stay at home, then who works in hospitals, care homes etc?