To be worried about coronavirus part 4

[idontusuallypanic]

I looked and couldn't see another 4th thread.

I'm personally worried this morning as I've heard that two students ds goes to school with have just returned from Milan where cases have just rocketed.

Please can someone confirm - you have returned from a lockdown area in Northern Italy should you self isolate even if no systems.

Yes - on www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#advice-for-travellers

"If you have travelled from:

Iran
Specific lockdown areas in Northern Italy as designated by the Government of Italy
Special care zones in South Korea as designated by the Government of the Republic of South Korea
Hubei province (returned in the past 14 days)
You should immediately:

stay indoors and avoid contact with other people as you would with the flu
call NHS 111 to inform them of your recent travel to the area
In Scotland phone your GP or NHS 24 on 111 out of hours. If you are in Northern Ireland, call 0300 200 7885.

Please follow this advice even if you do not have symptoms of the virus. "

On the radio this morning they were saying if you had recently returned from the affected areas of Italy and were symptomatic you should self- isolate. Not if you felt fine.

Personally, I am not concerned about coronavirus. I used to live in HK when there was SARS and having experienced this I am not that concerned. I think coronavirus is more mobile, but I don't think it is as deadly. Having said that, if I or any of my family was immunocompromised due to illness, age or lack of immunity whilst very young, then I would be concerned and be taking steps to keep them away from busy areas.

I am not sure what the solution is. Would it be better for the majority of us to actually get it and become immune to it? I don't know. The British Government don't seem that concerned over it and maybe that is because we have largely remained unscathed by these things in the past.

I think I will be stocking up on some essentials though because when I was in the middle os SARS it was the hysteria that caused chaos rather than the illness itself.

As I understand it you self isolate without symptoms if you've been in one of 10 or so Italian towns in lockdown. If in wider area if if you have symptoms you self isolate.

aquiescence I’d wait and see how the next few days pan out. You may find there are as many incidences in the UK as there are in Rome by then.

I don’t think any of us can appreciate the impact of half term spread yet. Especially as kids seem to be less impacted and will spread it more easily.

Floating I very much doubt you are in the minority. British stiff upper lip culture, heroism of going to work despite being ill, financial responsibilities, carer responsibilities, normalcy... I can think of dozens of reasons why your average low risk person wouldn’t voluntarily self isolate or want to be in quarantine for 2 weeks away from their family/job.

I reckon there are loads of mild cases in the UK already. We just won’t know until some poor high risk bugger gets it and becomes really poorly and testing becomes more wide spread.

Sorry if this sounds cynical!

It depends what you mean by “the affected areas”, Porcupine.

Returning from the specific small towns which the Italians have locked down? Self-isolate regardless.

Returning from the relevant region of Northern Italy, but not those towns? Self-isolate if symptomatic.

Thank you - I called the school. They said I was wrong.

David Abel has posted a video update from the hospital, if anyone is interested!

2 of the patients in Rome are Chinese tourists who have been in hospital since late January.
The tour group they were with was isolated in the hotel but afaik none developed symptoms.

The thing is though that people can spread it without symptoms so the advice to self isolate only if you have symptoms is not ideal. I understand that they are doing it to limit disruption but if they then find all these people returning from Italy are carrying the Coronavirus we will be in quite a dire situation. Ideally to contain this everyone returning from affected areas should self isolate

My son came back from Italy on the 13th.

He was a bit poorly for a few days, I assumed tired and jet lagged.

I've had sore ears for about a week and today I have atrocious diarrhoea.

Should I be concerned?We are fine. I just Mena in relation to people around us that may be old/immune compromised.

I HONESTLY never even though about corona until today. Been avoiding news about it tbh.

DS's been in school yesterday and today as he's been fine for over a week

BREAKING: #Bahrain reports 9 new cases of #coronavirus, raising total there to 17 cases in just 1 day; all are linked to #Iran.

BREAKING: #IRAN- Two more people infected with the new #coronavirus have died, taking the toll in Iran to 16, officials said on Tuesday, reuters says Iranians worried that authorities could be underestimating the scale of outbreak.

(there are more deaths in Iran than SKorea now)

The David Abel video won't work.. it says it's unavailable. Is it working for anyone else?

aquiescence, I personally wouldn't be travelling to Italy at the minute, see how things are nearer the time but you do need to give serious thought to giving it a miss. Especially with you being pregnant. I think I would be most anxious about the flight, planes are such confined spaces. Maybe sit tight and see how things are next week. Fingers crossed for you.

David Abel's new video has made my day! He looks so happy. Fingers crossed they are out of the woods.

Oh it works if I click the link, just doesn't play on MN. Ignore me!

You have to click on the link to see the video

Holly, you need to ring 111 for advice really, I don't think anyone else can reassure you. I guess it also depends on which part of Italy he was in. I would have waited out the two weeks if it were me to be honest.

@YoursTunbridgeWells you are right and the school is wrong. Can you calmly stand up to them and provide them with the facts? Matt Hancock on TV this morning was very clear if returning from a locked-down area you must self-isolate regardless of symptoms or not.

This is government guidance:

www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public

David Abel video working for me, thanks for sharing.

BREAKING: #OMAN reports 2 new cases of #Coronavirus

But the locked down areas are fairly small and specified very clearly. Northern Italy as a whole is not locked down.

I suspect you and the school might be talking at cross purposes?

If an area is on lock down, what actually happens? Who can go where?