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To have the biggest bedroom?!

152 replies

Anotheryearpasses · 23/02/2020 20:26

It's just me and two DC. Youngest has been complaining about having a tiny room and I've been trying to work out how to change it. A huge chunk of his room is taken up by built in storage. Not sure I have the money to have it all pulled out just yet but maybe in a year or so.

It seems like an obvious solution that I should swap rooms with him.

I love my bedroom though and sometimes we are all in my bed. No idea how I'd fit in the small room but as he gets older it'll probably mean more to him to have a bigger room.

OP posts:
SleepingStandingUp · 24/02/2020 18:47

Dc are minors and the parents are in charge not them. then you make the decision which is best for the family, rather than just taking the biggest because you can.
We grew up 3 kids in a 2 bed house. One massive room, one smaller double. Us kids had the massive room because there were 3 of us and it would have been squashed in the other room. Once it was just me and DP we swapped and thry got the big room. It's what worked best rather than the only factor being parents asserting dominance

woodhill · 24/02/2020 19:04

Yes I can see that. It depends on the circumstances.

I wouldn't want to sleep in a box room as an adult

Someone I knew had the best bedroom for herself, her spouse had the 2nd largest room then her ds had a grotty room and her dd's was slightly better. That is selfish as the adults could have shared a room

Catapillarsruletheworld · 24/02/2020 19:13

I would keep the bigger room. You pay the bills not him and I’m sure you’ll be able to make his room perfectly nice for him.

It’s a good lesson, that sometimes you can’t always have what you want.

JustInCaseCakeHappens · 24/02/2020 19:15

It’s a good lesson, that sometimes you can’t always have what you want.

bit sad when parents don't try to do the best for their children though.

Sally2791 · 24/02/2020 19:17

Can you build a bed into the storage area to free up floor space?

NeedAUsernameGenerator · 24/02/2020 19:25

Can you rip the built in wardrobes out yourself to save money? I'm personally not fussed about having the biggest bedroom necessarily as an adult but I wouldn't take a tiny box room, I would want at least room to walk around the bed and to store my clothes. In my house the bedrooms are roughly the same size and DD1 actually has the biggest because it was decorated in a style she liked when we moved in.

woodhill · 24/02/2020 19:26

Ds isn't scarred for life for having the box room till he went to university Smile such is life

aSofaNearYou · 24/02/2020 19:28

People keep giving examples of scenarios where it clearly made the most sense for them to be in the biggest room (like lots of siblings sharing) and where the second option is also a double room, and/or the adults only use their room for sleeping. It's very obvious that everyone who says they wouldn't do this is talking about if the other room was an impractical box room designed for one, and OP has made it clear she also spends time in her bedroom not just sleeping, and it's just one child she's considering putting in the big bedroom. It isn't the same scenario.

I don't think that children are manipulative enemies that need to be put in their place, but I do think that childhood is of course when a person will learn how to be manipulative, and it is when the parent needs to actively nip those tendencies in the bud.

All of us will fall differently on the scale of how much deference we expect children to show adults, but in my opinion it is useful to grow up with an understanding that there are certain things children get to do, and certain things adults get to do, so that they also understand why they have to do things like go to school, or go to bed when their parents tell them to, without having to argue each point down the line. For some of us, it's a parental decision that prevents a lot of unnecessary conflict. To me, things like the adult naturally being in the main bedroom (unless there are clear cut practicalities that mean it doesn't make sense this way) is one of those things - it isn't an arbitrary, petty rule, it's just all a part of teaching children that there are differences between children and adults and they will have their time to get to be the "head of the house". Also, that there is a limit to what they can demand and expect. It wouldn't sit well for me to teach a six year old that their parent, who works hard to provide for them and who also uses and enjoys her bedroom as much as he would, that she'll give it to him instead and live uncomfortably in the home she's providing. It would set a precedent he would likely pick up on and learn to capitalise.

We all raise our children in different ways, but a lot of people on MN seem to assume anyone that isn't as relaxed as they are about children respecting adults is just being petty.

Catapillarsruletheworld · 24/02/2020 19:29

bit sad when parents don't try to do the best for their children though

Not having the master bedroom will do him no lasting harm, and I’m sure the vast majority of parents would always strive to do the best for their children in any way that actually matters!

Clockworkprincess · 24/02/2020 20:05

We have a 3 bed house. We're in the largest room, the middle room is a guest room and ds4 is in the box room. When we moved in he was 9 months so it was ideal size for a nursery and he ended up staying there. We have a conservatory which was a dumping room so turned that into a playroom for him when he became old enough to need his own space and want to play alone. He's quite happy in his little bedroom (picked colour scheme etc himself). We have said that when he asks for the bigger room we will swop him but for now we have a lot of family who come to stay on a regular basis so do need the extra room.

JustInCaseCakeHappens · 24/02/2020 20:17

Not having the master bedroom will do him no lasting harm, and I’m sure the vast majority of parents would always strive to do the best for their children in any way that actually matters!

not sure why you think a bedroom big enough to play and have a desk for your homework doesn't matter, whilst many of us don't use their bedroom for anything else than sleeping.

Cupboards under the stairs are quite popular too Hmm

It's fine to organise your family as you wish, but sticking to a "pecking order" and telling your youngest they matter the least because they are the youngest... very wrong. If your authority is based on the size of your room, you need to rethink your parenting.

Catapillarsruletheworld · 24/02/2020 21:28

not sure why you think a bedroom big enough to play and have a desk for your homework doesn't matter, whilst many of us don't use their bedroom for anything else than sleeping.

Cupboards under the stairs are quite popular too

A nice high bed with a desk underneath. Completely appropriate for a child, not so much for an adult. You can make smaller spaces work for kids.

@JustInCaseCakeHappens
I don’t quite know where you got the notion that a younger child matters less because they have the smallest bedroom from? Affection isn’t shown by bedroom size! Well not in our house anyway.

woodhill · 24/02/2020 21:39

Sometimes the dc like to be downstairs. They had a family room or the dining room as a place to work. 2 bedrooms had desks

CatteStreet · 25/02/2020 06:21

'[...] it isn't an arbitrary, petty rule, it's just all a part of teaching children that there are differences between children and adults and they will have their time to get to be the "head of the house". Also, that there is a limit to what they can demand and expect. It wouldn't sit well for me to teach a six year old that their parent, who works hard to provide for them and who also uses and enjoys her bedroom as much as he would, that she'll give it to him instead and live uncomfortably in the home she's providing. It would set a precedent he would likely pick up on and learn to capitalise.'

But that is an assumption that a child will be manipulative if given perceived 'free rein' or preference in any way. A lot of good parenting is about being a bit uncomfortable oneself in order to meet a child's needs. From getting up with them at night, to getting all the colds and bugs going when they start childcare/school, to spending Saturdays standing on freezing touchlines or Friday evenings sitting through excruciating music school 'concerts', to facing emotional stuff you'd rather not because you know there is a cycle to break. If a child's needs for space/resources would suggest giving them a bigger room is the right thing to do, why ever would you not, just to maintain some kind of sense of being the 'head of the house' (or the 'one who's paying' - I do sort of understand that, and I have said to my dc in relation to specific things that as long as I'm the one who would be paying for it it isn't going to happen, but I think a general, abstract message that economic might is right is not one I want to teach)? I pull rank with my dc when I need to, but I don't feel the need to have that permeate the entire way we live together.

gingersausage · 25/02/2020 08:57

Good post @CatteStreet.

I’m not sure where people are getting the idea of the “master bedroom” (patriarchal bollocks) from anyway. In most normal 3 bedroom terraced or semi detached estate houses, there are two similar sized doubles and a smaller single bedroom. Some on here (presumably the usual 6 figure earners) seem to have visions of a 6 year old being given a massive space complete with en-suite and walk-in wardrobes, when the reality is the 12’ x 10’ room instead of the 8’ x 6’ room.

RogueV · 25/02/2020 08:58

Keep the big bedroom!

aSofaNearYou · 25/02/2020 09:11

But that is an assumption that a child will be manipulative if given perceived 'free rein' or preference in any way.

Not in any way, but someone up thread suggested that they were shocked people view their children as manipulative. My point was that childhood is the time when people learn all manner of negative traits, including manipulation. So yes, being manipulative, being selfish etc, are common phases for children to go through as they develop and it isn't insulting to them to acknowledge that on here.

A lot of good parenting is about being a bit uncomfortable oneself in order to meet a child's needs... If a child's needs for space/resources would suggest giving them a bigger room is the right thing to do, why ever would you not

A lot of good parenting is also about teaching children the difference between wants and needs. I feel like I made it clear in my last comment that if there were obvious practical reasons why only this way made sense - such as the small room was unsafe, or there literally wasn't enough room for his things and there would have been for mine, then I wouldn't stick to the rule. But if the room is big enough for his things and is perfectly adequate, he just wants a bigger one, then I wouldn't switch. I also personally believe that the amount of sacrifices you should have to make for your children's whims should go down as they get older and develop empathy. So I don't think giving up your bedroom for a six year old that is fine in his is in the same league as waking up during the night with a baby, like you said in your post.

just to maintain some kind of sense of being the 'head of the house' (or the 'one who's paying' - I do sort of understand that, and I have said to my dc in relation to specific things that as long as I'm the one who would be paying for it it isn't going to happen, but I think a general, abstract message that economic might is right is not one I want to teach)? I pull rank with my dc when I need to, but I don't feel the need to have that permeate the entire way we live together.

I don't know what you want me to say here. Within reason, I do think the parent needs to be head of he house. I don't think it's about economic might, the only reason money comes into it is because they need to learn that if somebody else has paid for something, then it is theirs to make decisions about. Otherwise a) they may not respect other people's property or be grateful when people buy them things, because they view money as communal, and b) why would they ever see the appeal of moving out and becoming independent, when they get to make all the decisions at mum's house and she pays for it?

But the main reason the parent is the head of the house, is simply because they are the responsible adult, and I want my kids to know there are pitfalls and perks to that. So you don't get to go to many cool birthday parties and you have to go to work, but you get to run your own household and decide what you want to do for yourself, set your own bedtime etc, which is not an option for a child. Also, adults get to have grown up relationships, which is another reason I associated double bedrooms with adults as a child and wouldn't switch to a box room if I were OP, as it sets the precedent that this is never going to happen for his sake. Also, I was raised to respect an adults comfort because their bodies are older and capable of less - so if there weren't enough seats the children have to sit on the floor. Likewise, it is less practical for an adult to be in a box room because they don't fit in a single bed as well as a child and are too old to comfortably get up and down from a bunk bed.

That balance of perks and pitfalls taught me to simultaneously respect my parents authority, enjoy the lack of responsibilities of childhood, and actually look forward to being an adult, rather than just thinking becoming an adult meant a never ending cycle of adults sacrificing themselves for children. There's no reason why what I'm describing needs to permeate the house, I'm trying to articulate something that I think for most of us is very normal. It would never occur to me to think I was going to get the master bedroom while my parents were in bunk beds in a box room, because I just understood that they were the adults and I was the child, and one day I would get the master bedroom (and I'd probably spend a while fantasizing about how I would decorate it, and then put it out of my mind). I was a happy and secure child, and I believe this was largely due to the fact that I didn't think absolutely everything was up for negotiagion and face disappointment if my parents said no. It's something I see a lot in children and am keen to avoid.

CatteStreet · 25/02/2020 10:39

There's nothing in anything I've said, though, that implies adulthood as a never-ending cycle of sacrifice for children, nor that everything is up for negotiation. I think I said upthread that dh and I don't have a room atm so that our 3 dc can all have their own. (And I don't quite understand why this means our children will assume we have no adult relationship - there is a living-room door and it closes). By your logic, our having taken this step exerts some kind of powerful symbolic effect which drains away all our authority in our dc's eyes. They see the 'pitfalls and perks' of adulthood in our talking about them - especially the teen and preteen. They see we work, they do their bit in the house, they ask for stuff and we discuss with them whether it's financially feasible, they see us (e.g.) setting our own media/screen time, which they don't get to do. I don't need to have the biggest room for the sake of it (and I appreciate you wouldn't rule out the idea altogether if it made sense) in order to communicate to my dc that adulthood is quite fun but often quite tiresome too. We have a lot of conversations about how we say no to certain things (or have what can appear to them like a Spanish-Inquisition-esque requirement for information) because we are utlimately responsible for them.

aSofaNearYou · 25/02/2020 12:11

Nothing I've said was designed to criticise your parenting in particular, I hadn't singled out your comment. Although having seen it now there is absolutely no way I would have no bedroom at all so that all the children could have their own - for reference I shared a bedroom with my sister until I was about 11 and would have been in her room all the time if I hadn't because we played together, and after that I was in a box room, so both are normal to me. But that's your choice. I just wouldn't be comfortable with raising my kids to not question why they all had their own room and I was on the sofa. It surely can't be hard for you to see why to others, that is setting them up to have too high expectations of parental sacrifice?

We simply fall on different sides of the line and neither of us are going to change the others mind. For me, the moment they ask for my bedroom is one of the moments I would be saying "no and this is why", as you say you do at other times.

CatteStreet · 25/02/2020 13:08

'[...] not question why they all had their own room and I was on the sofa. It surely can't be hard for you to see why to others, that is setting them up to have too high expectations of parental sacrifice?'

Not really, no, because we discussed it thoroughly with them when it came up (so 'questioning' wasn't an issue). The older two had previously shared the biggest room, we had the middle room, the (much younger) little one had and has the smallest. It got to the point where the older two each needed their own space. We explained it was a sacrifice for us and that we expected certain standards of behaviour 'in return' - particularly to each other, as part of the issue was that they'd stopped getting on as they got older. It's worked out well. We have big rooms overall and plenty of storage opportunities for our stuff. I get if we had just said 'right, darlings, here's our bedroom, which one of you super-important children wants it?' it might set up unrealistic expectations, but that's not how it happened :)

aSofaNearYou · 25/02/2020 13:19

Great, I'm glad it went well for you and it sounds like you handled it well. The fact remains that I wouldn't have done it and I don't think it should be considered strange or unusual for a parent to choose to keep their own bedroom rather than let three children have one each, regardless of their behaviour. But as I say, I'm glad it's working well for you.

JustInCaseCakeHappens · 25/02/2020 14:06

I don't think it should be considered strange or unusual for a parent to choose to keep their own bedroom rather than let three children have one each

absolutely, but neither should it be strange or unusual to let them have a room each.

I am not sure why people seem to think the youngest children need the smallest space, they are the ones with the biggest toys and books. Even a box of duplos take a lot more space than a box of legos. The older they get, the less storage space they need (if you exclude sports kits, but they are not in bedrooms here)

aSofaNearYou · 25/02/2020 14:15

Yeah I would agree with that JustInCase, I think young children take up more space than older children. I don't really see an issue with a box room for a teenager tbh, but then that's what I had. However my clothes alone definitely take up more space than both combined, as I am several times bigger than a child, so I'd very much struggle in a single room.

NotNowPlzz · 25/02/2020 14:52

We're moving into a 2 bed. DD is getting the bigger room for all her toys. Living room is more 'mine'.

Glitterblue · 25/02/2020 15:13

We have the big bedroom in our house, our DD has the smaller one. Our double bed plus wardrobe, 2 chests of drawers etc wouldn't fit into hers. I do feel guilty sometimes because I know she would love a bigger room but we're just going to make sure we decorate hers as she wants it and make it her own lovely little space

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