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Prince Andrew's Birthday

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Nippybutsweet · 19/02/2020 14:06

AIBU to feel that it's insensitive for Westminster Abby to ring it's bells to celebrate Andrew's 60th?

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1forsorrow · 19/02/2020 20:32

By the way MrsTerryPratchett don't quote part of a sentence. Here is the whole sentence He might have done it, she might be an attention seeker or looking for a payout. You don't know and neither do I Not quite the same is it? Still it wouldn't suit you to be honest about it.

1forsorrow · 19/02/2020 20:33

Gosh yes, here we go again it is OK to say misogyny but misandry is not on is it. You really want it all to be one sided don't you.

yolofish · 19/02/2020 20:37

1forsorrow you are actually Fergie, and I claim my £50.

slipperywhensparticus · 19/02/2020 20:37

The us say they want to talk to him he said he will talk to them I'm assuming he has zero intent of going to them therefore they will have to come to him but the only evidence they have is he was friends with a dead man and might have had sex with a woman who might have been trafficked (I'm saying might because has it actually been proven yet? I don't want to fall foul of deletions)

Meanwhile there is a murderer free on us soil who has no intention of coming back

We are at a diplomatic stalemate

1forsorrow · 19/02/2020 20:39

yolofish isn't it past your bedtime? Or do you stay up late at halfterm?

slipperywhensparticus exactly right.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2020 20:41

it is OK to say misogyny but misandry is not on is it

Now you're getting it!

Tell you what, when women are raping and abusing male children on a massive worldwide scale, trafficking them, selling them into prostitution, when countries have tourism based on women raping male children, maybe then we'll talk about misandry. When there are hundreds of thousands of missing boys from the population from femicide. When, just for example, female royals are partying with female pedophiles. Then I'll agree.

Until then, misogyny yes. Misandry, false equivalence.

1forsorrow · 19/02/2020 20:45

So now he is guilty for every crime against women. You do realise that just because men commit crimes it doesn't make all men guilty. What possible good does it do for women to state that Prince Andrew is guilty of something that he hasn't been convicted of? It doesn't help any of the victims. Or is it just him or do you think every man needs to share the guilt. How about your dad, your brother are they guilty as well?

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2020 20:51

My dad and brother don't fraternize with sex offenders

AnneOfTeenFables · 19/02/2020 20:51

Does anyone else wonder what has happened to the high level US businessmen and politicians implicated in the Epstein scandal? They don't need to be extradited yet they've been allowed to slip down the US and UK media agendas completely.

1forsorrow · 19/02/2020 20:58

My dad and brother don't fraternize with sex offenders Had all their friends investigated? You realise that they don't wear signs and how often do you hear people being amazed when they find out what someone has done.

mindproject · 19/02/2020 21:03

We have all been witnessing a massive cover up. Maxwell did a walk free, keep quiet deal. Many authorities are keeping quiet for fear of reprisal or they are compromised/involved. There a number of independent journalists on YouTube/social media who are having to conduct their own investigations, due to the lack of anything being done by the people who are paid to do it.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 19/02/2020 21:07

I was surprised they celebrated his birthday. Totally unnecessary and makes it seem that they're just so detached from the real world. Quite gaslighty too to presume they think we've forgotten he paid teenagers for sex and lied through his teeth in national television

LaurieMarlow · 19/02/2020 21:07

Had all their friends investigated? You realise that they don't wear signs and how often do you hear people being amazed when they find out what someone has done.

Epstein was convicted. And PA continued to fraternise with him.

It’s not a case of ‘who knows, anyone could have a shady past without your knowledge’, PA absolutely knew and continued the association.

He then, in front of millions of people, declared he didn’t regret the friendship.

My male relatives have never done anything remotely resembling that.

yolofish · 19/02/2020 21:10

Oh the old 'is it halfterm' "gag" - brought out by anyone who thinks they are SO witty. Hilaire.

TheNavigator · 19/02/2020 21:28

My male relatives have never done anything remotely resembling that.

Indeed, none of my immediate family have chosen to be friends with a convicted serious sex offender. If they had, we certainly wouldn't be ensuring we were seen in public with them and celebrating their birthday on social media. But then, my family has moral values and standards which appear to be sadly lacking in the royal family. Yet they are born to reign over us. Really, how dare they.

Nanny0gg · 19/02/2020 21:30

It's now known as the Sovereign Grant, and I believe the claim is that Andrew no longer gets public money but is funded from his mother's private resouces instead. And anyone who'd swallow that would probably believe anything ...

It's published so they can't pretend that he isn't if he is.

StoneofDestiny · 19/02/2020 21:33

Roll on the Republic!

LaurieMarlow · 19/02/2020 21:35

It's published so they can't pretend that he isn't if he is.

I’m sure the Queen’s funding him and I’m equally sure it’s not entirely clear what pot of money she’s using to do that.

paragraphs · 19/02/2020 21:55

Fgs, this man is a disgrace and it’s a national / international outrage that the Royal Family haven’t sent him to the US to answer for himself months ago. That interview he did was diabolical - on the one hand he’s saying that his main friendship was with that Guilaine woman and Epstein was simply the “plus one”, yet, despite all this, he felt the need to fly over to him to spend 4 DAYS to end their friendship. Total Bollocks. It just shows the entitled bubble they’re in when they think people are so stupid that they’ll believe anything Andrew says. He’s guilty as hell and I doubt we’ve heard the half of it. Disgusting man.

RubysRoo · 19/02/2020 21:59

Normally very supportive of the Royal family, but feel they've massively misjudged on this occasion. He may not be convicted, but his actions were abominable - as a member of the royal family, a father and a human. More and more I think the direction Charles plans to lead the family in is the right one.

restawhile77 · 19/02/2020 22:04

I wish people would stop saying he hasn’t been convicted of anything as if thats the be all and end all so we shouldn’t judge him. He won’t get convicted, he’s being protected. I suspect it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

AngelsSins · 19/02/2020 22:50

she wasn’t a minor in this country and would only be so in some American states. I’m not condoning anything he’s done, quite the reverse, but he hasn’t broken UK law

Sorry what?! You think there is nothing illegal with raping a trafficked woman? Because that’s what he’s accused of, not sleeping with a freely consenting 17 year old.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/02/2020 23:04

"The thing is he’s not actually been found guilty or even charged with anything. There isn’t even an arrest warrant out for him"

Having the bells rung at Westminster Abbey on his birthday is a great public honour which should be earned by service to the nation

Personally I want a higher qualification level for this than "not actually found guilty or charged"

Alsohuman · 19/02/2020 23:08

Having the bells rung at Westminster Abbey on his birthday is a great public honour which should be earned by service to the nation

It’s not though. It’s an accoutrement of being born royal. Who gives a shit about bells being rung.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/02/2020 23:41

"It’s an accoutrement of being born royal."

Which is why I wrote "should" and "personally"

I dislike the present system of ringing bells for the good, the bad and the ugly (not meaning physically ugly)

but that seems an inevitable result of an RF where birth and birth order is everything

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