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Prince Andrew's Birthday

268 replies

Nippybutsweet · 19/02/2020 14:06

AIBU to feel that it's insensitive for Westminster Abby to ring it's bells to celebrate Andrew's 60th?

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Bluerussian · 25/02/2020 19:51

Sorry I phrased that wrongly. I've actually seen that expression used on here in the past so thought it was OK, I won't say it again.

I don't know what to think about Prince Andrew, indeed I don't think about him at all except when on Mumsnet. I hope the truth comes out eventually, in the meantime I am not going to speculate.

LinoVentura · 25/02/2020 20:18

He's a nonce and thick as pig shit. Not a good combination, royal blood or not.

Alsohuman · 25/02/2020 22:13

He's a nonce

On what evidence?

LinoVentura · 26/02/2020 14:06

I appreciate that it's a serious accusation however looking at all the available evidence I can't imagine anything less. Let's for the sake of argument say that we'll leave Virginia Giuffre's accusations for the courts to decide.

The Prince and the Paedophile, an episode of Channel 4′s Dispatches series, covers the extraordinary relationship between the pair.

It claims that over the course of 12 years, from 1999, Epstein and Andrew met on at least 10 occasions, with the royal, who is fifth in line to the throne, reportedly staying with him on several occasions.

Private investigator Mike Fisten played a key role in exposing Epstein’s crimes and worked as a lawyer for some of the victims.

He told Dispatches: “When people tell me, I didn’t know what Jeffrey was about, I don’t want to say BS. I’ll just say hogwash. Because if you were around Jeffrey, you were around underage girls. He has no children. He has no nieces… It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that something was going on there.”

Source: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/prince-andrew-and-jeffrey-epstein-documentary_uk_5dad9103e4b08cfcc31ecdbd

Although I have no doubts that HRH is thick as pig shit, even someone of his limited mental faculties would have known what was going on. Are we really supposed to believe that he was spending all that time visiting Epstein and did not enjoy the opportunities to have sex with the young girls provided for his entertainment?

Also the fact that HRH specifically choose to support Epstein, publicly, after he was finally convicted for one of his numerous sex offences makes it clear that, for HRH, laws against sex offences are of no interest, nor are the victims of sex offences. His BBC interview plus the fact that he is refusing to cooperate with the FBI also confirm that he really couldn't care less about Epstein's victims.

So HRH had a close friendship with someone whose main hobby was organising orgies with young trafficked women, many of whom were underage. HRH spent lots of time at the home of the sex offender, where the majority of offences took place. And HRH has made it clear that he has no sympathy whatsoever for the victims of these crimes.

You might have doubts over whether HRH actually participated in these crimes himself but I certainly don't.

Alsohuman · 26/02/2020 16:09

As far as I know - and I’m not interested in red top TV evidence - what he’s been accused of is having sex in London with a 17 year old girl. It’s unsavoury and inappropriate but not illegal.

Mockersisrightasusual · 26/02/2020 16:14

New series of The Windsors starts this week.

I can't imahine they'd want to make anything of Andy's problems.

mindproject · 26/02/2020 17:46

I don't know why people subject themselves to such propaganda.

LinoVentura · 26/02/2020 18:56

As far as I know - and I’m not interested in red top TV evidence - what he’s been accused of is having sex in London with a 17 year old girl. It’s unsavoury and inappropriate but not illegal.

As far as I know the tabloids are far more interested in Meghan than they are in HRH Prince Andrew.

It's possible that HRH has not behaved illegally despite his morally questionable actions. I can't see it myself. What do you think he was doing during his frequent stays at Epstein's house of young, trafficked girls?

Alsohuman · 26/02/2020 19:05

I don’t know. And nor do you. I said red top TV.

LinoVentura · 26/02/2020 19:34

Well there's no confession or film of him caught in the act so therefore he must be assumed innocent. Yeah right - the whole thing stinks.

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 19:39

what he’s been accused of is having sex in London with a 17 year old girl. It’s unsavoury and inappropriate but not illegal.

It is illegal because trafficked girls can’t give consent, so it’s rape by definition.

Alsohuman · 26/02/2020 20:02

Our legal system assumes innocence unless proved otherwise, if that doesn’t suit you, the French do it the other way round.

If trafficked women can’t consent, does that condemn them to life long celibacy? Or do their chosen partners automatically become rapists?

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 20:12

Our legal system assumes innocence unless proved otherwise, if that doesn’t suit you, the French do it the other way round

You were questioning what he’d been accused of. obviously he hasn’t been found guilty of anything as he hasn’t been tried.

If trafficked women can’t consent, does that condemn them to life long celibacy? Or do their chosen partners automatically become rapists?

Fucking seriously? Come on, I know you’re not that stupid. That response is both ignorant and embarrassing.

Alsohuman · 26/02/2020 20:22

The legal system comment referred to this Well there's no confession or film of him caught in the act so therefore he must be assumed innocent

What else can I take from what you said Laurie?

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 20:33

Well there's no confession or film of him caught in the act so therefore he must be assumed innocent

Since when does a rape conviction require video proof? Confused

He has been accused of an illegal act by Virginia Roberts. Are you going to deny that?

It is not clear (to me at least) what overtures have been made to him by those investigating the case. Both sides are telling different stories.

Alsohuman · 26/02/2020 20:46

My point exactly. He hasn’t even been charged with anything, let alone proved guilty. Yet some people are entirely happy to pronounce him guilty based on - well, association.

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 21:05

My point exactly

Well no. Your original point seemed to be that what he was accused of isn’t illegal. Or what else should I understand by this...

what he’s been accused of is having sex in London with a 17 year old girl. It’s unsavoury and inappropriate but not illegal.

LinoVentura · 26/02/2020 23:30

He hasn’t even been charged with anything, let alone proved guilty. Yet some people are entirely happy to pronounce him guilty based on - well, association.

Were you born yesterday?

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