to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3819574-AIBU-to-ask-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-coronavirus-continued

113 cases in Italy.

My immune system has been very low over past 2-3 years, doctors have said ME but don't think they know for sure. I've had a cough, on / off fever for weeks but I would presume it would have worsened if it was coronavirus. Makes me nervous for holiday though as they are temp checking everywhere and I often get temperatures.

Haven't read full threads so someone may have already published this but says start in China would have been in November here but more widespread from start of December.

www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/dna-sleuths-read-coronavirus-genome-tracing-origins-and-mutations/

I think the flu here can't be related else we would have heard of a big increase in people dying of it.

There's just so little said about CV in the news generally, and yes, there's virtually nothing about Italy. The result is, those of us who have symptoms, and have additional health problems, are left not knowing whether we really have anything to worry about or not.

The only thing to do, I think, in these circumstances is to carry on as usual, whilst being cared about hygiene.

The lack of news on Italy is quite frankly weird. I get the whole concept of ‘worried well’ and avoidance of scaremongering, but with half term ending and masses of families returning from ski trips / school trips / family visits, it would be good to have some practical (and reassuring) information about how the UK is going to respond.

In all honesty, I can’t see a scenario where London gets quarantined and our major airports / public transport system suspended. So how to avoid cross infection via hospitals (where you are naturally going to find more susceptible individuals.) And also GP surgeries, care homes and other places housing vulnerable people?

The drive thru testing is a great initiative but the number of folk testing negative then positive concerns me as it may foster a false sense of security and reduce containment..

I don't like to post much on here as although I was trying to be helpful starting this thread I hadn't stopped to think that doing so would highlight my posts and somehow confer a "status" that belongs to Ivy and other serious knowledgeable posters .

aanyhow ,who cares really - one of the things in my mind is North Korea and their beleagured ,repressed population . If corona takes hold there with what I assume are poor medical facilites ,it's going to be bad isn't it ?

BBC seem to have an article now but they seem very slow with their news, often 1-2 days late and it's so fast moving.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51602007

@KoalasandRabbit

I sometimes check the weekly ILI reports published by PHE and it looks like we had an early peak in the 2019/20 flu season.
It was bad around the end of November, when lots of schools were affected by a flu like respiratory illness.

english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/23/Coronavirus-death-toll-rises-to-18-Iran-Sources.html

Al Arabia reporting 18 dead (at least) in Iran, protests and all Iranian football matches cancelled.

@KoalasandRabbit But thousands of people do die of flu every year; we don't hear about it because there isn't anything unusual about it. That came home to me when my bout of flu turned into pneumonia last year and they were going to keep me in hospital. (But then my chest X-ray showed up no other complications, so they put me on 2 separate antibiotics, one of them extra strong and let me go home.)

So that was a major scare. The temperature cleared, as did my lungs, but my health has been shot to pieces as a result.

In all honesty, I can’t see a scenario where London gets quarantined and our major airports / public transport system suspended

Me either. Looking at the drastic measures other countries are putting into place, I just can't see the UK government doing the same.

It's me with the dd in the ski resort - French Alps.

She is not feeling at all well, but has promised to go to the pharmacist after her shift this morning. Dry cough, had upset stomach, I'm quite anxious about her actually. Hope she calls me later to says she's got some fantastic French medication, they are usually pretty generous compared to what we can buy OTC here.

why aren’t the UK press reporting much about coronavirus situation in Italy?

I saw a very small segment on Italy on bbc news earlier. They briefly mentioned the lockdown, then talked about the brits from the cruise ship being quarantined, then said "and now back to our main story, Tyson fury...". Nothing about Iran, South Korea, didn't mention Milan. They also showed the front pages of various papers and it wasn't on any of them - I'd have imagined a lockdown like this, businesses closed, schools closed, in Western Europe would be big news here. They spent more time talking about the sand storm in the Canary Islands.

What is likelihood for spread to North Korea knowledgeable ones ?

I am the last person to think of conspiracy theories. In my job I have to be very practical, analytical and level headed. But the lack of reporting on Italy must be deliberate. I can’t see any other reason for such big news being downplayed other than that the uk news channels have been asked to try to help avoid panic.

IMO at this stage that is the wrong approach, we’d be better off making it clear as the US has done that this is a major threat and having people start to take sensible precautions. People need to know there is a major outbreak in Italy. We have hundreds of people flying back and forth there every day.

If it's not already in N Korea I'll eat my hat.

There isn’t a great deal of frequent travel in and out of North Korea as far as I’m aware and so actually they’re in a far better position I should imagine than places like Vietnam Cambodia and India

Didn't they shoot a north Korean official recently for breaking quarantine?

What is likelihood for spread to North Korea knowledgeable ones

Not knowledgeable about this, but Dr John Campbell seems pretty convinced it's already there.

I'm afraid it is very similar to how governments have responded in the past to epidemics. The Major government of the 1990s kept insisting that BSE wasn't a risk for humans. But then they were forced to admit that vCJD was the human form of BSE and that it had an incubation period of up to 15 years. (One of the victims had been a veggie for 15 years.)

And no one recovered once they had because symptomatic.

I’ve been lurking on this thread (and 1 and 2) as had nothing to add but found the info shared interesting and relevant.

Just seen that the Chinese Central Bank is planning to destroy all cash as they are concerned about the virus passing that way...

apple.news/A1twIqPr6Q6CrFR1aj9dpwA

Yesterday there was only 1 reported case in Turin.

Today a couple have tested positive, they visited their child at the Regina Margherita Hospital in Turin yesterday morning.

2 more deaths in Iran.

Italy 117, just checked.

2 more deaths in Iran.

I wonder if these are some of the ones that disappeared yesterday. At one point yesterday they were reporting 5 new deaths, and then it went down to just 1.

Why aren't we getting advice on visiting Italy?
Countries with less cases are on our "be aware of symptoms" list.