to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

previous thread
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sorry if it was 10 times worse only 1% of Hubei would be infected. if we take that 1% and put it to our 100000 town then that leads to 1000 people of which 15% would be critical so 150 people. that is also only if it got 10 times worse. at the current rate were talking only 150 people getting infected and 15 being critical.

What if you have symptoms (fever, cough, fatigue, etc) but to your knowledge you haven’t been in contact with anyone who’s been to China? Will people just assume it’s a normal bug and carry on as usual?

It seems like that's what will happen. A lot people just aren't taking CV seriously. People think those who are worried are exaggerating, panicking and worrying unnecessarily, as the figures in China are slowing down.

I suspect that's one of the reasons its spreding so quickly in Italy. People think they have a minor bug, "It's just a cold" and therefore have carried on as normal.

Xia Sisi, 29yo doctor from Wuhan died of Coronavirus. More than one month after falling ill. RIP.

twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231484837917286402

I returned from Japan a week and a half ago and have had what I’m pretty sure is a cold for a week. I took one sick day from work when the cough was bad.

In UK the advice would be to self isolate and contact authorities but as I’m in Australia and the authorities are only concerned about those who have been in China I’ve mostly gone about life as normal.

The conflicting advice from different countries is confusing. I think I read that coronavirus starts with a tummy bug too which is a bit different to normal head colds you might get.

Any word on the pp who has a daughter in the ski resort?

150 people being critical means they need oxygen and mechanical lung ventilation.
Your small town would be lucky to have two or three free beds in the cdu with the necessary equipment.

I don't think it generally starts with stomach symptoms but some people get that first and sometimes that's their main or only symptom. That's why they were looking at the fecal-oral route as a possibility for transmission.

I'm dreading the numbers coming in today. Seems like there is no stopping it in South Korea and Italy.

South Korea seems to have gone up every time I check chart. Would be worried for Italy too as they can kiss on greeting.

Got summer holiday booked in Thailand and Malaysia, I'm bit jittery about that especially as their numbers seem a lot lower than you would expect but much of it is non-refundable and if its spreading in Italy don't know how much safer other places will be by then. DH has a colleague in Wuhan who isn't allowed back as she's Chinese.

I think symptoms can vary at the start, watching Sally and David Abel Sally just appeared to have a cough, nothing you would normally think twice about. David seemed to have a cough and bad stomach but has allergies and had eaten dairy. Wasn't until end it looked like he was ill and then worsened really quickly to severe pneumonia and needing a wheelchair in a couple of days.

This is probably unrelated and don't have access to the real data but Mail reporting flu cases 8 times higher than previous year in December.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html

What if you have symptoms (fever, cough, fatigue, etc) but to your knowledge you haven’t been in contact with anyone who’s been to China? Will people just assume it’s a normal bug and carry on as usual

I have those symptoms right now, but I regularly get I'll now, ever since I had pneumonia a year ago. I've been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

I've been to the GP, I was asked if I'd been abroad at all and that was it. It's been diagnosed as a virus.

It might be a normal seasonal virus (it's not flu as I've had the jab); it's possible to think everything is CV, which obviously isn't true. On the other hand, I've got a persistent temperature of 38, like when a persistent temperature developed into pneumonia last year. That's also a very rare thing for me, I never have temperatures normally.

So do I get worried or not? I don't go out much, and haven't for a while, though I go shopping. There's also no real life evidence that the CV has come to Leeds, where I live, as yet.

Yes should really be unrelated.

It’s a mid December article so if anything to do with Coronavirus China would have had clear issues in November possibly October

Flu season has been terrible.
People I know who have had pneumonia who are otherwise health early 30’s.

Still could be actual flu mittens. The effectiveness of the jab varies year on year. Last year was a particularly ineffective year. I had the jab then and still caught it. I had it diagnosed from a nasal swab.

Tbh we need people to start thinking that their coughs and temperatures might be cv. It clearly isn’t only related to visiting China

I suppose the difficulty is what that would mean in practice. Especially this time of year when loads of people have some sort of low-level bug even if they're not having a full-blown snotty cold.

I take the bus to work, and there's never a trip when you don't hear at least a few coughs, sniffles or sneezes. Ditto at work. So I'm talking not just about somebody who actually has a proper streaming sneezing cold, whom one could argue should stay at home anyway (even before COVID was ever a thing).

Rather, I'm wondering about the huge pool of people who have no symptoms, or mild generic symptoms - what, practically, ought we to do? Unless government advice changes dramatically, people can't self-isolate for every slight sniffly ache, or they'd get in trouble at work/school. Let alone if they hadn't recently travelled to Country X.

I want to clarify that I'm not disagreeing with the general principle of needing to be aware that COVID could now pop up anywhere. Just headscratching about how, practically, we/the authorities ought to deal with that knowledge.

Why does 'ill' so often autocorrect to 'I'll' these days? It's so irritating.

I hate sounding paranoid, but I did develop swine flu during that outbreak and I tend to get any infection going. (I still don't get a temperature often, though that probably is changing now too).

@Mittens030869 just because you have the flu jab doesn’t stop you getting flu
It just stops you getting the specific strain of flu that they decided to vaccinate for this year of which there are many

I’m pretty sure this is why the flu season has been worse as they said back in January 2019 that they didn’t think the flu jab would be as affective this year, and it wasn’t.

I know there are other viruses around, but I had a nasty bout of flu last year, which I hoped the jab would protect me from. This one doesn't seem so bad as last year (hopefully it won't go onto my lungs again this year).

I suppose the jab was also in October, so it was 4 months ago now.

My sister in law has got a work trip to Milan on Tuesday, why aren’t the UK press reporting much about coronavirus situation in Italy? She had no idea and thinks it’s fine to travel as it’s not being made a big deal

Bno newsroom @bnonews
NEW: South Korea delays start of school year by 1 week due to coronavirus; it's the first time in South Korea's history that such a measure has been taken for health reasons - Yonhap

This is a big deal for South Korea...

why aren’t the UK press reporting much about coronavirus situation in Italy?

We've been asking this since yesterday, and still can't work it out.

You can see the weekly flu reports here.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-national-flu-reports-2019-to-2020-season

I've only had a cursory glance but the vaccine looks to have been a good fit this year

South Korea are taking this very seriously

President Moon Jae-in raised the alert level to maximum (Level 4: Serious) thus empowering the government to lock down cities and restrict travel.

My dd is at University in Milan. Last night all lectures were cancelled until 1 March. This apparently applies to all schools and colleges in Milan.

That's good to know FourTea thank you. Last year was dire. We all got it. My ill child was admitted to hospital for 4 days and there were quite a few cases in there. Medical staff all had to wear masks and these big plastic visor things. First time I have ever had it. We all have the jab every year.