to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

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By force? Jesus!

Well done Italy. I hope we see such measures if the virus spreads over here.

What do ‘they’ know that we don’t, yet?

This is unprecedented......I've never known anything like this in my lifetime. How can people be so naive to think it's no worse than flu? This is really serious. They don't lock down cities for nothing!

Definitely seeing less of the "it's just flu" posts/comments as the situation gradually gets worse.

The information so far accessible to all is worrying enough. There doesn't need anything more , unless I am missing something?

It’s unprecedented because we have been lucky not to have a pandemic in our lifetime and international travel means

The Spanish Flu pandemic was historically viewed as failing at applying a consistent level of it which is why it has spread.

Sadly the other reason it is unprecedented is that in previous outbreaks it was viewed as far more common to die of illnesses/diseases than it is now

Modern living plays a huge part in this I think

From the BBC correspondent for Seoul on twitter : The UK Foreign office is advising against all but essential travel to Daegu and Cheongdo due to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak. The government of South Korea has designated Deagu and Cheongdo cities as “special care zones” following a growing number of cases of coronavirus.

Re. the request for suspected coronavirus patients to call 111. What if you have symptoms (fever, cough, fatigue, etc) but to your knowledge you haven’t been in contact with anyone who’s been to China? Will people just assume it’s a normal bug and carry on as usual?

After today the Italians must suspect that their iceberg is far bigger than anyone had thought.

They have had 58 new cases in a single day.

They have 18 seriously ill or critical (even South Korea only has 9, out of 443 cases).

They have learned that their presumed “Patient Zero” was a red herring, so it is back to the drawing board on contact tracing.

No doubt there is also deep concern about just how close Codogno (the epicentre of the outbreak) is to Milan.

Yes @FloatingCloudz the department of health confirmed that 111 has two different scripts. One for people who have travelled to China etc and one for people who haven't.

I think it’s rather concerning that the number of serious / critical patients seems to be slowly rising. It’s now at 22%.

Iwww3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200223/k10012297721000.html

Did we need another clusterfuck from Japan?

Rough translation:

Ministry of Health, Labour and Wlefare stated that doctors and nurses who checked passengers on the Diamond Princess were not screened for Covid-19 and will not be screened unless they show symptoms

Their reasoning? Doctors and nurses know how to handle infection control so they won’t be a risk. This is despite one nurse from the ship and one government official being diagnosed with Covid-19, and with evidence that infection control on the ship was not being dealt with correctly.

So a number of doctors and nurses were potentially exposed, then were sent back to work as normal. The ministry is now rethinking whether they do in fact need to test them.

What are you supposed to do if you feel ill then? I feel dreadful but DH won’t let me call 111 because he says I’m paranoid and haven’t even been near anyone who’s at risk.

2 new deaths and 120 new cases in South Korea.

The SK cluster and outbreak is astounding.

I have relatives in Italy but in the south.

With an enforced quarantine I wonder what happens if you work in another town/city and your home goes into lockdown during the day while you’re at work.
Would you be allowed back in? What if you had nowhere else to go?
There are so many things to consider.

I wasn’t overly worried. I am now. Can’t believe it’s not even the top story on a lot of online publications and that worries me more because I think the line is not to create panic here.

It’s inevitable now surely - just hope that it does fizzle out and the numbers aren’t as bad as predicted.

Incidentally I am curious as to how flu spreads (speed rate). If there was a situation like Diamond Princess with flu, would the spread be comparable
Or is COVID way more infectious (I’m presuming the latter)

I saw in Wuhan there were lots of pets home alone with no food or water as owners unable to get back due to lockdown. Few lovely people who are going round feeding as many as they can but even then it's sometimes they leave a month's food. My cat would try to eat that in a day.

Incidentally I am curious as to how flu spreads (speed rate)

Seasonal flu has a replication rate of about 1.3. Everyone with the virus infects 1.3 other people on average

Estimates are currently that this has a replication rate of around 3 and so its much worse.

Plus this has a much, much higher serious/critical/death rate than flu.

www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/feb/14/catman-of-wuhan-the-man-rescuing-pets-abandoned-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-video is one of rescuers.

Thanks @HasaDigaEebowai

Yes I agree it seems the Italians aren't fucking about with this, and I too hope our government would/will do the same.

@FloatingCloudz same here, awful dry cough and aches for 4 days. I am going to call 111 today. DH also thinks I am being paranoid.

Tbh we need people to start thinking that their coughs and temperatures might be cv. It clearly isn’t only related to visiting China

@justchecking1 not at all, My figures stated that even in Hubei if they had 10 times as many cases as they do now it would still only be 1% of the population of this small town that would be affected and then 15% of that 1% would be critical in hospital