to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

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How awful that David Abel is very unwell. He knew what was coming his way, poor bloke.

I think a pandemic is inevitable, I just hope we can slow the spread in this country enough to be able to cope with the more serious cases, there is such a small amount of wriggle room in the NHS, we managed it during the swine flu pandemic though

I believe the number of Italian cases is 25 in Lombardy and 3 in veneto.

This lock down in Italy, for what is not a huge number of cases, has made me significantly more worried, not about the virus itself necessarily but about all the potential implications.

I'd sort of planned to get some extra food in but in a vague "I'll get round to it" way but reading this has focused my mind on it. I've got a food shop being delivered this afternoon and I've realised that if we'd had some sort of lock down implemented yesterday, we wouldn't have enough food to last more than a couple of days. It's easy to say it's not likely to happen but then I think that the 50,000 people in Italy probably thought that a few days ago as well.

I can't remember, were any similar lock downs put in place in Europe for previous pandemics (swine flu etc.)?

There have been NO CONFIRMED REPORTS that David and Sally Abel have pneumonia!!

They have just been moved to another hospital 'more suitable to their needs' and unfortunately their son now cannot get hold of them. He has been speculating that, because of their age and David's diabetes, that they are at risk of catching pneumonia.

The Daily Mail said "The Abel family are distressed by the health of David and Sally, amid fears the couple may have pneumonia – a known complication of the deadly virus."

I have no idea if the WHO are competent, but I'm obviously not sure of the public health credentials of posters on Mumsnet so I would rather take their advice and opinions. I mean, I guess most people working for them have some kind of training and we might be working for them if we had that kind of experience too. Or not. Or we might be football managers making better choices about teams or we might be in government making better choices about policy...

@Upherefordancing The son and daughter in law confirmed that the Abels both have pneumonia in a video they streamed late last night - around 5:05 on

Shit I am so upset for all the people this is affecting and how scary to be in some of the places at the centre of this, and I’m worried for us personally for the first time.
DF in his 70s is in N. Italy, due to fly home Sunday, my DW is an elderly care nurse in a busy city hospital, so no chance of hunkering down, and I work in lots of schools as a peripatetic teacher. It just feels inevitable now it’s going to affect us too.

This lock down in Italy, for what is not a huge number of cases, has made me significantly more worried, not about the virus itself necessarily but about all the potential implications.

This is where I am more than anything.

I'm pretty well stocked for things, but I will make sure I keep things topped up as much as possible, as we simply don't know what measures government are going to put in place.

Its what people then do that worries me.

Good article here from The Lancet “COVID-19: fighting panic with information” www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30379-2/fulltext

”we're not just fighting an epidemic; we're fighting an infodemic.” The ease through which inaccuracies and conspiracies can be repeated and perpetuated via social media and conventional outlets puts public health at a constant disadvantage. It is the rapid dissemination of trustworthy information—transparent identification of cases, data sharing, unhampered communication, and peer-reviewed research—which is needed most during this period of uncertainty. There may be no way to prevent a COVID-19 pandemic in this globalised time, but verified information is the most effective prevention against the disease of panic.

I have no idea if the WHO are competent, but I'm obviously not sure of the public health credentials of posters on Mumsnet so I would rather take their advice and opinions.

I'm not sure you need to be a public health official to be able to read the news and work out that efforts to contain the virus are proving to be, how can I put it?

'Sub-optimal'

Containing the virus means 'no new clusters suddenly appearing from apparently nowhere'. Thats not exactly true is it?

The window of opportunity 'narrowing' is something of an understatement in view of what we can all see playing out.

I am interested in the gap between what is reported and what is said by officials as a rule. When the two don't match, then you should ask questions. This is how you hold power to account.

Are WHO ahead of the curve? No. Clearly not.

Should this concern us. Absolutely. They should be.

The blind belief that we should follow officials blindly is rather blinkered. History lessons are available on this subject.

shrugs

Its reassuring that the virus hasn't spread to all countries, there are no cases in Cyprus, Turkey, Croatia etc., which makes me feel that maybe it is still possible to keep it from becoming a pandemic. With only 9 cases in the UK and no others in a long while, I do wonder if its actually slowing down and coming under control.

With only 9 cases in the UK and no others in a long while, I do wonder if its actually slowing down and coming under control.

Whilst it's true that there haven't been any recent confirmed cases in the UK. I think it's clear from countries like south Korea, Italy and Iran, that we're a long way from seeing the virus slow down or be bought under control.

The “cult” and “hospital” clusters in South Korea appear to be linked, in that the the 3-day funeral for the cult leader’s brother was held in a hall rented from the hospital - which is a long-stay facility for mentally ill patients.

Source: The Guardian

Thank you Lark, that's a very interesting read.

watersheep that's true but I am trying to look for any positives I can at the moment. I work in a healthcare environment and have had some access to information relating to the UK tests etc and can see that the country is taking everything seriously and ensuring all who have symptons are tested and people have been isolated etc that don't have a positive test as a precaution. I am hopeful that with this caution in place we should be able to limit the infection rate, even if just in the UK.

On a personal note and as the mother of an asthmatic DS and a DD with compromised immunity who has recently had a severe reaction to influenza that affected her kidneys I am still worried but trying to keep myself comforted by the lack of further confirmed cases and also that 8 of the 9 who caught it in the UK have already recovered, but I do get what you are saying, especially in relation to the recent jump in cases in Italy and Iran.

The YANBU to be worried percentage on thread one was 56%, the second was 62% and this one is 66%, so the anxiety about it is understandably increasing as time goes on .

Weren't the Abels offered a hospital quarantine place some time ago but refused as the staff didn't speak English and they wanted English food and internet access? If that's not just gossip, bet they are really regretting it now. I hope they recover quickly.

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5 deaths in Iran and 2 in Italy (source above)

@CMDASS4
JUST IN: Passengers stranded inside the train at ROME-Lecce route due to suspected #coronavirus. The entire train is under lockdown with passengers inside. (Corrieresalentino)

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This is sad, a 29 year old doctor in China delayed his wedding to treat patients and now he has died of the virus.

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2 new cases in Italy: two doctors in the Pavia area. There are now a total of 30 cases in Lombardy region (including 1 death, 1 critical, and at least 14 serious cases), 8 in Veneto region (including 1 death and at least 1 critical case) and 3 in Rome.

Things are looking pretty bad in Italy. Out of 41cases, 16 of them are serious / critical and 2 have died.

Italy train thing was a false alarm, according to www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/coronavirus_treno_roma_lecce_viaggiatore_sintomi_sospetti_ultime_notizie-5066546.html

Do you know what the definition of serious and critical are? Oxygen, ventilation, ECMO?

Severe - developing severe diseases including pneumonia and shortness of breath.
critical - can include: respiratory failure, septic shock, and multi-organ failure.

Taken from here

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-symptoms/

"With only 9 cases in the UK and no others in a long while, I do wonder if its actually slowing down and coming under control."

It hasn't been holiday season yet.

@Squitface, the thing with flu is that carriers show symptoms. You can have the virus, show no symptoms and pass it on. A 19 year old has just passed it on to all of her family after showing no symptoms and testing negative. She later tested positive.

This is showing us that there may be a period, were we have it, have no symptoms, but are contagious. Just like chicken pox. We know chicken pox has different strains and can mutate.

My friends from Africa, aren't worried about flu, but this terrifies them for their family. They are all vulnerable because many people have been weakened by the diseases they get over there, TB, Hepatitis and HIV, to name a few. Unless places like Nigeria/sudan are going to get massive income boosts for health are (and then will it even reach the people), this could be disastrous.

The Congo has a hard time believing in Elboa, sections of their society will just think a curse has been put on, when they start dropping dead. They have just killed medical staff over the Elboa crisis.

I've said from the start that here in the UK many are 'I'm alright jack' about it, unless they have immune compromised and vulnerable people in their family. But globally this is a bigger issue than flu.