To find today’s Sunday Times front page distasteful?

[IndianaMoleWoman]

The giant neon “#mentoo” just looks like a massive dig at Caroline Flack. Whilst I agree there is much to debate, it just seems inappropriate considering the news of her death has only just come to light.

Yes agree

Yes ......that is pretty shit.

Would you feel the same if the genders were reversed op? Honestly?

Distasteful

Yes, that's no accident. I think there's going to be a few heels dug in.

The press like most on Mumsnet were wanking away over her downfall, did you really expect them to be better with her death?

Would you feel the same if the genders were reversed op? Honestly?

Why wouldn’t she? It is the apparent pointedness of the juxtaposition that is the issue.

OP, I have a feeling it was not intentional but I agree it looks tasteless.

@Bluntness100 I must admit I've just had to check myself for that exact reason.

My knee jerk response was that it was a new low for the press then realised that I would probably have sniggered at the irony had it been a male accused of DV.

Yes, it's poorly done but it'd be naïve to think it wouldn't/shouldn't be mentioned somewhere. You don't become a saint when you die.

@PristineCondition that is a revolting way of making your point.

Bluntness I think there’s a time and a place for the debate. We will never know the truth of what happened that night, but do you genuinely think it’s better that all the evidence will now be coming out in the coroner’s court instead of a criminal one?

The Mentoo line would have been set surely, as it refers to the magazine. The caroline flack news broke at like 5pm yesterday so would have been last minute addition, so it's probably just unfortunate.
I say that having zero idea about newspaper deadlines etc

do you genuinely think it’s better that all the evidence will now be coming out in the coroner’s court instead of a criminal one?

Oh come on - she didn't say that at all! No one did.

But not inaccurate... advance search her on here

I just checked and the 'men too' is not related to Caroline Flack?

I don’t want to advance search her. I have never seen her work. I don’t know much about her beyond the bare details or the criminal charge. But she is a human and now she is dead at just 40 and that is very, very sad.

The lurid stuff can at least wait for another day. The poor woman is barely cold.

I think it should be WOMEN too.

There’s a lot publicised about male suicides: not so much for women.

That magazine supplement would have gone to print almost a week ago. They also would have planned the promo banner a day or so in advance. Obviously they could have changed it but having planned a big magazine feature on domestic violence against men they'll want to promote it. It's unfortunate timing but not much they could do.

The metoo and the mentoo campaigns arent about domestic violence. They are about sexual harassment. The time piece is about men being sexually harassed at work.

If you are I'll informed or dont bother to google what the sunday times mentoo campaign is, yes its looks distasteful.

But not related at all. Unless CF has also been accused of sexuall harassing men, which I dont believe she has. So not related at all.

The mentoo piece isnt about Male suicide or DV.

The thing is though, in order to have enough evidence for the crown court to decide to press forward, its highly likely that she did perpetrate domestic abuse and that shouldn’t be minimised just because she died. She did not deserve to die and its awful that she felt this was her only way out and I do genuinely feel very sorry for her family. But female perpetrated domestic abuse is an extremely serious issue that continues to be minimised because society just finds it too uncomfortable to talk about it openly. Should we not prosecute potential perpetrators of any crime moving forward because of the risk the stress of that prosecution could have against them? Were the courts wrong to tell her the case was going ahead (because the evidence was sufficient to indicate that she did indeed commit a very serious crime) now that we know what the tragic outcome was for her. If it was the other way around and she was a man, would the crime be so easily forgiven?

I haven't been on any of the CF threads or read much more than the basic headlines about an upcoming court case but I really don't think it's fair to insinuate that Bluntness (or any other decent human) feels that this is a good outcome.

No person should be so low that suicide is the only option.

I think YABU

Like most people she had bits of her life that don't stand up to scrutiny. It's unfortunate the reporting of her death coincides with this hashtag, but given newspaper print schedules I suspect coincidence is all this is

Thanks for clarifying @Kirkman, definitely not inappropriate imho!

Sorry for being dense but what does it mean?

That magazine supplement would have gone to print almost a week ago. They also would have planned the promo banner a day or so in advance. Obviously they could have changed it but having planned a big magazine feature on domestic violence against men they'll want to promote it. It's unfortunate timing but not much they could do

Exactly. And had they bumped her to page 2. They would have been accused of minimising her suicide in favour or male suicide or male victims of DV. Even though that's not what the campaign is about.

Because people womt bother to look at what the campaign is actually about.