To find today’s Sunday Times front page distasteful?

[IndianaMoleWoman]

The giant neon “#mentoo” just looks like a massive dig at Caroline Flack. Whilst I agree there is much to debate, it just seems inappropriate considering the news of her death has only just come to light.

The #metoo and #mentoo isnt about DV.

I don't have a problem with the #mentoo banner at this particular moment in time. I'd have a problem with it at any moment in time. Like a pp said, it's on a par with "all lives matter", and quite typical of Sunday Times readership I'd imagine.

@IndianaMoleWoman That is very odd. It does look weird/dodgy. YANBU.

My first thought was that it's hinting at the Phillip Schofield rumours.

@C8H10N4O2

#Metoo is not about domestic violence. It's about sexual harassment at work.

You are confusing DV and sexual harassment.

I take issue with the idea that it was being taken to court by the CPS because it was in the public interest.
Which public were they thing of?

Yes, it's distasteful and would also be distasteful if the sexes were reversed.

You are confusing DV and sexual harassment.

No,. I was pretty clearly agreeing with the PP objecting to another hijacking of a tag about one group by members of the advantaged group

I then talked about CPS/DV in a whole new paragraph because its a seperate issue.

HTH

Yes, it's distasteful and would also be distasteful if the sexes were reversed.

That's a very good point. Going back to when Kurt Cobain killed himself, can any of us imagine a newspaper screaming "WomenToo"?

Or what the response would be if they did?

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the public interest test by the cps is quite complex. I suggest you have a read. It has nothing to do with the fact that she was a celebrity. I think you are completely misunderstanding 'public interest' in a legal context.

www.cps.gov.uk/publication/code-crown-prosecutors

Oh lord - the metoo and mentoo movements are not about DV or suicide. You need to
Do some research before making stuff up.

I noticed that but think it was a very unfortunate accident due to the late breaking news story.

That's a very good point. Going back to when Kurt Cobain killed himself, can any of us imagine a newspaper screaming "WomenToo"?

Not in a million years.

Or what the response would be if they did?

I dread to think.

I want a CPS that does prosecute if they believe there is enough evidence that they believe they may get a conviction, regardless of if the victim feels able to prosecute.

The use of #mentoo is offensive all on its own. It's like #alllivesmatter. It's co-opting another disadvantaged group's message and using it for your own gain.

Completely agree.

Yep offensive. Media at it again. Just like the daily mail hounding her ex on the other side of the world barely 18hours since the news broke.

Very crass. No matter the rights and the wrongs of her behaviour, a woman is dead by her own hand. That's the real tragedy.

Distasteful.

I want a CPS that does prosecute if they believe there is enough evidence that they believe they may get a conviction, regardless of if the victim feels able to prosecute.

agree. Not sure if actually a suggesting that prosecution should not take place if the person prosecuted is not stable. By that logic, most prosecutions should be scrapped as they, no doubt, cause significant stress to the accused. We could just scrap the legal system alltogether in that case.

I really am struggling (as a #writer too) to see the connection between CF and a feature about men .

I think there are posters here who have their own issues and want to read things into headlines that arent there.

The Mentoo line would have been set surely, as it refers to the magazine.

The magazines are printed days in advance and delivered to newsagents the day before, so it was planned long term. Unfortunate, yes, but not deliberate.

@IndianaMoleWoman

Please can you tell me how your brain worked to draw a connection between CF's death (and her pending court case ) and sexual harassment of men at work?

This is the Times article- you can't see it all because of the pay wall.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/207cc2d8-4da7-11ea-961f-902ae2a59867
Kamran Hamid felt that he had finally got career traction. He was moving up the ranks in the IT department of a FTSE 100 company, and his team had just landed a big win: they had succeeded in “sorting” a huge system incompatibility among the company’s European divisions

It's about sexual predators.

Are you saying CF was harassing men?

I don't think the Mentoo headline has anything at all to do with Carolin Flack. It probably looked OK to the editors before it went out, they may wish it had been done differently now but it's tomorrow's chip paper.

I take issue with the idea that it was being taken to court by the CPS because it was in the public interest.
Which public were they thing of?

I'm sure you're implying something here, but I don't know what.

When someone is accused of an assault, there's a public interest in that they might go on to assault someone else. I'm not sure what else there is to say about it, unless you have some inside understanding that the charges were not credible? (Other than the victim not cooperating).

Not sure if actually a suggesting that prosecution should not take place if the person prosecuted is not stable. By that logic, most prosecutions should be scrapped as they, no doubt, cause significant stress to the accused. We could just scrap the legal system alltogether in that case.

This is what gets me too. The vast majority of offences will be committed by people with "issues" - there'll be very few level-headed perfectly sane people committing serious offences. If MH somehow excuses people of their actions, then, yes, the legal system wouldn't have a place anymore. The average serious killer is usually pretty unhinged - should that excuse them?