To find today’s Sunday Times front page distasteful?

[IndianaMoleWoman]

The giant neon “#mentoo” just looks like a massive dig at Caroline Flack. Whilst I agree there is much to debate, it just seems inappropriate considering the news of her death has only just come to light.

Do you have an argument make @entropyrising? or are you just venting wind?

añd i'm not actually Jesus, but in your case, I can see why coming across someone with the ability to make salient points would have you confused on that one.

Don't forget a rapier wit...?

P.S. google 'salient' ASAP.

RuffleCrow - you do your own cause no good to dismiss violence against men as an irrelevance. You sound exactly like the men you despise, who try to dismiss their violence as just a little bit of slapping about. Domestic violence of any sort is unacceptable. If you take any other stance, you are being an apologist for unacceptable behaviour.

Is that what the times is talking about.

Or is the times talking about sexual harassment of men at work. Mainly by men, occasionally by women?

Kirkman - The Times is talking about one thing and RuffleCrowand the OP about another.

I am aware I was hoping to get ruffle to actually think about what they were writing and talking about.

The times is publicising a men's movement set up as a reaction to #metoo, and perceived 'false allegations' made by women @kirkman, which you would know if you took five seconds to google it. Nobody is saying violence or harassment towards men is acceptable. I will not have you putting words in my mouth.

Do you know what?

I just cant be arsed. The times mentoo, is talking about sexual harassment in the work place. Read it.

I've read all about mentoo and my description of this 'movement' remains. It is to #metoo what #twaw is to feminism. Clearly you have nothing to counter this.

@RuffleCrow if you can use Google you would have seen the actual article that the Times are promoting. Yes the original tag line was used in other parts of the world to fight false accusations but that's not the case here 🙄

It's all the same thing! : centre men, create a distorted narrative regarding workplace harassment focused around men as victims, push women's recently empowered voices back to the margins where they've almost always been. Very similar to the way single non-serious incidents of men as dv victims are repeated ad nauseum, even as women are killed by men every other day (which of course is hardly ever reported unless the woman is young, middle class white, photogenic and 'blameless' enough).

RuffleCrow I think you should consider reading the article before you start throwing everything in your scatty arsenal at it.

You're arguing against something that no one has even said.

Come back when you've formulated an argument. Your "entropy" has clearly affected your ability to do so but I wish you all the best with it. Tends to be a one way street, sadly, bur maybe you have a few lucid moments in you yet.

Wow, it does seem that this has indeed Ruffled Ruffle's feathers 🤣

Why is it distasteful.

There are separate issues at play here.

One is that she was about to go to court accused of serious assault (I think charge was common assault in the end?). The CPS decided it was public interest to peruse and also have an injunction in place re contact which means they had every reason to believe there was coercive control involved.

The other is her serious mental health difficulties. No one is going to be non sympathetic to these. I think she should age done what AMp did and admit she'd lost control due to public life and booked herself into rehab for a year or so.

But let's face it. If the genders were reversed or the ages (or both) and it said #metoo or # womantoo the outcry would be different.

This isn't a straightforward case. This is a case of a tragic woman in the public eye who felt she had no way to turn back and no way to change the future.

But I feel it's disrespectful to ignore all the facts and the full picture. It's disrespectful for opal the victims of DV to ignore what she did and only remember her saying about being kind. It's the same as saying men who commit DV but buy flowers, pay for expensive holidays or work so the mums can stay home should be praised for their words and actions ignored.

I thought my opinion on this would be highly unpopular and I say on it for days. But I'm finding more and more people who feel because it's a celebrity their is a great public outcry ignoring significant facts of the situation.

What a very dissimilar posting style you have to entropy @blueeyedfloozy well they do say energy only transforms.