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To find today’s Sunday Times front page distasteful?

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IndianaMoleWoman · 16/02/2020 07:40

The giant neon “#mentoo” just looks like a massive dig at Caroline Flack. Whilst I agree there is much to debate, it just seems inappropriate considering the news of her death has only just come to light.

To find today’s Sunday Times front page distasteful?
OP posts:
lmcneil003 · 16/02/2020 08:30

I think @MordredsOrrery has called it correctly.
I don't believe there is anything malicious/cunning - it's just short deadlines and maybe people less sensitive to these types of issues than the regular MN crowd.
MN is an echo chamber - it's not representative of the average Sunday Times reader I guess..

PotholeParadise · 16/02/2020 08:30

Won't be a dig at her. It will have been a pre-planned headline to signpost readers to the sunday supplements. Sunday papers (and their acres of supplements) take all week to plan and edit, so they wouldn't have had time to rejig it for this morning.

Instagrrr · 16/02/2020 08:33

Whilst I’m not condoning what she did, nobody knows the events that led up to what she did (well only her partner who had actually dropped the charges)

Having lived with a physically and psychologically abusive partner I’m not afraid to admit I snapped more than once. I don’t believe I committed domestic violence... or maybe I did? Maybe I should have just put up with it with no reaction Sad

Straycatstrut · 16/02/2020 08:39

I've no issue with it.

I think she should have been sectioned after all that to be honest, for his and her own safety. I mean she was clearly going to hounded by hundreds of people afterwards.

Ronia · 16/02/2020 08:39

Sunday papers (and their acres of supplements) take all week to plan and edit, so they wouldn't have had time to rejig it for this morning

Several weeks. Magazines print about a week in advance and are planned and written weeks and weeks ahead

Kirkman · 16/02/2020 08:40

You are condoning it. Youa re suggesting she was pushed to it.

You are absolutely right. We dont know the ins and outs. Alluding that he probably abused her first, is bloody awful.

JinglingHellsBells · 16/02/2020 08:41

No, I don't honestly see the connection you are trying to make @IndianaMoleWoman

The headline says MEN too, not ME too.
#Metoo is about the sexual harassment of women.

#Mentoo is presumably about men being subjected to that.

It's not about domestic violence.

You are seeing connections where none exist. And, to be honest, come over as being goady.

ChicChicChicChiclana · 16/02/2020 08:41

It's a very unfortunate coincidence and doesn't look good, I agree.

JinglingHellsBells · 16/02/2020 08:42

Several weeks. Magazines print about a week in advance and are planned and written weeks and weeks ahead

Yes BUT @Ronia they can, and do, pull features and re-jig headlines right up to the hour of printing. (I know, I'm in the media.)

Toastytoes1 · 16/02/2020 08:44

@Instagrrr I’m sorry you suffered through that. No one should have to. But no one includes men and I find it sad that where a man has undoubtedly been assaulted the first thought that many people have is that he did something to deserve it first and she was just reacting. I’m not saying that wasn’t the case, we may never know but would that argument ever be used the other way round? Would anyone ever say that a women who was assaulted probably said or did something to deserve it first? And that is exactly my point.
Also, most victims of domestic abuse drop the charges against their partners; that again does nothing to validate or prove innocence.

EntropyRising · 16/02/2020 08:50

Whilst I’m not condoning what she did, nobody knows the events that led up to what she did (well only her partner who had actually dropped the charges)

Having lived with a physically and psychologically abusive partner I’m not afraid to admit I snapped more than once. I don’t believe I committed domestic violence... or maybe I did? Maybe I should have just put up with it with no reaction sad

Quite rightly we do not assume that men who abuse their partners might have been provoked. Sorry that this has happened to you, but it's off to suggest that this is what might have happened here.

AutumnRose1 · 16/02/2020 08:59

The #Mentoo looks odd
It’s got nothing relevant next to it
Unless...

BRITISHAIRWAYSSUCK · 16/02/2020 09:01

How tormented must she have felt that ending her life was the only option? I feel for people who struggle like this. I have personally felt the effects of depression however the sucidial thoughts to be better of dead is a scary and lonely place to be, to act all OK on the outside and yet inside be in turmoil. She was witch hunted down by the media and it ruined her career with ITV, her fans turned on her and there was disgusting trolling.

I dont know much about her as I didnt watch Love Island or Xfactor but she did appear to be a troubled soul from what I could see...unfortunately the media reports and trolling tipped her over the edge. Hopefully she finds peace.

Instagrrr · 16/02/2020 09:04

I’m just trying to put out my own experiences here, luckily I wasn’t hounded by the media or I think that would have toppled me over the edge too.

The prosecution isn’t the issue here, the media 100%

EntropyRising · 16/02/2020 09:07

The prosecution isn’t the issue here, the media 100%

That's not at all what her management team is saying, I just heard on the news that they're blaming CPS.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 16/02/2020 09:08

It doesn't matter if isnt related, it looks like it is.

This was announced at 6pm yesterday, papers had to 're jig' their whole front pages. It does not take a rocket scientist to work out 'men too' next to a picture of Caroline flack at this time is incredibly insensitive.

EntropyRising · 16/02/2020 09:09

What's the story with the media hounding her? I am not very familiar with this story apart from what I've heard this morning. Did it stem mainly from her arrest?

StealthPolarBear · 16/02/2020 09:09

"The headline says MEN too, not ME too.
#Metoo is about the sexual harassment of women."
Weren't some men involved right at the start of the movement?
As for everything women related we seem to need to move on to talking about the men ASAP.

SoupDragon · 16/02/2020 09:09

The #Mentoo looks odd
It’s got nothing relevant next to it
Unless...

Unless what? Unless it's relevant to the story about The Duchess of Cambridge? That doesn't have "anything relevant" next to it either.

Maybe it's relevant to the story about the license fee...?

AutumnRose1 · 16/02/2020 09:10

Soup, my “unless” was implying something!

Ronia · 16/02/2020 09:11

@JinglingHellsBells. So am I. Work in planning at a national newspaper. I know they can. They could've changed the banner on the main paper, bit not the content of the magazine supplement was my point. But it's not easy and I don't know think they needed to in this case.

AriadnesFilament · 16/02/2020 09:15

YABU

icansmellburningleaves · 16/02/2020 09:16

If it were a man that had cracked his partner over the head whilst she was sleeping and then went on to commit suicide I doubt people would be so sympathetic. I see her management are criticising CPS for running the trial against the wishes of the aggrieved. This is standard practice and something that absolutely should happen. It takes the responsibility away from the aggrieved. It’s something that CPS have done for years. It’s sad when anyone dies unexpectedly, whatever the circumstances and someone feeling they have no other option is terrible.

dairyfairies · 16/02/2020 09:16

Sorry for being dense but what does it mean?

Caroline Flack was being prosecuted for assaulting her ex(?)partner and was allegedly abusive to other partners too.

Incenseday · 16/02/2020 09:19

OP, you are bonkers.

A woman has taken her own life. Very sad. But the rest of the world doesn’t revolve around this.