Acquitted but still impeached ... Trump thread 99

[TheClaws]

I’ll tell you a funny story. I’m a member of a very right-wing US politics online discussion group for kicks. The moderator of the group controls - and gets involved in - every discussion. (I should say the membership of this group is over 50K and the number of posts a day is generally 30 or so.) She’s also a typical Trumpian in that she reels off the standard “lamestream mass media” etc lines” and she mutes anyone who disagrees with her.

Anyway, I took her on eventually. She said that the Democratic candidates wanted to get rid of the Constitution. To this, I replied Trump flouts the Constitution on a regular basis. “What? Provide examples!” she replies. “Emoluments clause,” I replied. “That’s just one.”

GUYS. SHE HAD NOT HEARD OF THE EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE.

She then just spat something about she doesn’t read mass media lies and that’s why she didn’t know and muted me.

AIBU?

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3776378-Happy-Impeachment-Next-step-is-removal-Trump-thread-98

You have the patience of a saint TheClaws!

Thanks for new thread

Thanks Claws and YANBU

Thanks for for the new thread, Claws.

No YADNotBU.

for new thread, TheClaws.

for your forays among the, um, selectively-informed.

Thanks, will keep following. Really appreciate these threads.

Thanks for the new thread.

I don't know how you can handle being on that forum Claws. I took a gander at one and ran screaming (figuratively speaking).

This sudden apparent nosedive of Biden's has me concerned about in interference. It just doesn't make sense that it's happened so rapidly.

Thanks, Claws.

Thanks for new thread, @TheClaws!

I wish the Democratic nomination process wasn't so drawn out.
These are not ordinary times ...

@Lionheart The process has nothing to do with being Democrat or Republican. This is our election process and it doesn’t change. Our Presidential Office has 4 year terms with the option of re-election. We don’t change the process just because we don’t like who we elect. We let them serve their term and then we shave the option to re-elect or vote another into office. Get ready for 4 more years of Trump

www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-steel-tariffs-jsw/

Barr is to testify before the House Judiciary Committee.

www.mediaite.com/politics/bill-barr-set-to-testify-before-house-judiciary-committee-next-month/

Interesting. I'm veering between Barr being 'ordered' not to appear and him appearing and just lying through his teeth.

Either way, I don't think it's going to affect much. Barr knows he's not going anywhere unless he upsets his Master.

He'll dissemble and obfuscate and go on the attack.

He'll put on a show for Trump.

There will be one or two moments when he slips up and these will be on social media feeds and recycled whenever his name is mentioned but nothing will change.

Unless, of course, he gets cold feet or suddenly decides that he does love America after all.

You've probably got it there, lion.

Although I think he's slick enough that he'll probably have mapped out very carefully what he's going to say (and not say). In fact, I'll bet he's going to demand the questions in advance. And anything important will be met with "matter of national security/executive privilege'.

And yes, it's going to be a complete 'cover Scrotus' arse' show. He's not going in there without his 'permission' and explicit instructions on how to spin things.

I like to call it ‘research’. I think it’s healthy to take the barometer of the other side - so to speak. I want to know how they think, even if I believe they are a bit uninformed at times. This woman surprised me, though. She accused me of being uninformed while displaying the most ridiculous case of pig-headed ignorance I’ve ever come across.

Thanks for the new thread, I've been off MN for a bit, but I miss the Trump threads!

This article (posted below) kind of nails it for me. A year ago - 6 months ago - it would have sounded wild. Now?

www.businessinsider.com/authoritarianism-experts-say-time-running-out-americans-to-stop-trump-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

@NexkPainChairSearch it wouldn’t have been wild to say that 6 moths to a year ago. He was never going to be removed from office and instead of organizing a GOOD nominee they wasted time, effort, and energy trying to impeach him. He will be re-elected in November. There is nobody to replace him. Sanders won’t win. Not at all. Now not only do we have to worry about Trump for another 4 years but a very real possibility that we will also have a Republican controlled Congress

Oh yes, I forgot the 'unavoidable' silences, Across.

I was just looking at that NeckPainChairSearch.

It still takes some doing Claws, more so, I think if the 'knowledge' or the responses just parrot Trump talking points, which is so often the way it goes: 'Fake news!', 'Deep state', 'Democratic Witchhunt!

These are the endless variations I see whenever encounter the Trumpers. Not at all conducive to a discussion--it's as if any debate just gets short-circuited.

I guess that's the point.

Leannnb That sounds so defeatist. I don’t think I would term the impeachment process a “waste of time” - not at all. A great deal was revealed that otherwise might still be buried. Much still may be revealed before the election. I don’t give up so easily.

Can a President be impeached twice?

Just asking... and thank you for the new thread.

According to the U.S. constitution, there is nothing that prevents the Democrats from impeaching Trump again, though it would be unprecedented.

John Kelly talks (and pretends he was the 'tough guy' with Trump )
www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/12/john-kelly-admits-it-killer-working-president-trump/4745088002/

No evidence being allowed at the first one was unprecedented as well, wasn't it?

Meanwhile, I am unsure whether this was here and I missed it:
edition.cnn.com/2020/02/12/politics/judge-denies-roger-stone-request-new-trial/index.html

Questions about the juror were first raised by a well-known reliable source, one Mike Cernovich. It's worth having a look at the article on him in Wikipedia, I feel. My personal verdict on him would probably contain the words "box of frogs".

Paws is right, you can impeach the President as many times as you like. But (rightly so) impeachment is taken seriously (at least by the Dems) so I think the House won't undertake it lightly.

But I also think that the House realizes that it would probably be somewhat of an exercise in futility (as a means of removing him from office) as long as the GOP rules the Senate. So unless he "shoots someone on 5th Avenue" or something equally egregious and they have an actual 'smoking gun' there will be no more impeachments (IMO). At least not unless he wins a second term . Then I hope they tie him up in impeachments and investigations until his face turns blue (which would be an improvement on orange). But I doubt that will happen. The Dems have to walk a very fine line as they realize that when the Dems get back in office the GOP will undoubtedly use impeachment as a weapon for revenge.