David Lammy and Jamaican deportees

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David Lammy’s speech, in which he is critical of the government’s decision to deport convicted offenders to Jamaica, was very impassioned. However, it was disingenuous of him to have made the connection between this issue and the Windrush scandal. The two are not the same; the Windrush debacle was a disgrace and involved numbers of innocent individuals being caught up and deported illegally to the Caribbean . Those who were deported today were convicted criminals who served at least 12 months in prison and crucially, they were subject to due process. Unless there is evidence to indicate that other nationals of different ethnicities and races, such as white Australians, have not been subject to the same level of enforcement of this policy , he is wrong to label it as a racist move by the government.

I understood that it was the Labour Party which brought in this law and that Mr Lammy voted in support of it , is this correct , if not I apologize .

The majority of deportations ARE,to EU countries

Are these deportations people who have come here when they are very young, lived most of their lives here - and then have been deported to a country they hardly know?

Or are they simply deportations of EU nationals and people don't know anything else than that?

Except the majority of deportations back to EU countries are of recent migrants and those who have just been released.

That's why you don't hear of them. They don't meet the criteria for the issue here.

Do keep up.

Some interesting Government stuff on the Act

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/426906/Deport-non_eea_Foreign_Nationals.pdf

Reading the Hansard debate about this back in 2007.

No one seems to have though about this - they just got hung up on the word 'foreign national'. The law of unintended consequence

I'm all for kicking out rapists and murderers regardless of when they came here as a child or not, but for non-violent low-grade offences it seems unduly harsh to send someone away to a country they barely remember, far from their family. However, repeat offenders ought to be warned that that is what will happen if they reoffend.

Interesting point in the 2007 debate

A Lib Dem MP
The provisions on automatic deportation raise the most concerns. Although people who seriously breach the trust under which they are in this country should be deported, automatic deportation, without consideration of other factors, could cause serious problems.

That decision has clearly been taken to satisfy the Prime Minister’s rhetoric during the foreign prisoners crisis in April and May last year and his reckless pledge to deport everyone, regardless of human rights or any other considerations. Rules are being changed even though the problem was not the lack of power to deport, but the failure to get around to deporting people.

The Home Secretary has already removed from the immigration rules the capacity to consider factors such as length of residence in the United Kingdom; strength of connections with the United Kingdom; personal history, including character, conduct and employment record; domestic circumstances; previous criminal record and the nature of any offence of which the person has been convicted; compassionate circumstances; and any representations received on the person’s behalf. What can be the harm in considering those factors?

The overreaction to the foreign prisoners scandal caught up many people who had a strong case for staying in the UK, despite having made a mistake. Deporting every person who commits a crime, even if they have been in the UK for decades and have children and other family in this country, cannot be right, fair or proper.

Mr. Stewart Jackson

The hon. Gentleman is making a reasonably cogent argument, but there does seem to be naivety and a lack of reality. Far be it from me to support the Government, but we are talking about 9,700 people or thereabouts who have committed criminal offences. We must have a degree of reality about that. Our constituents would expect us to deal with those people robustly. Why do not the Liberal Democrats agree with that?

Paul Rowen

: The reality is that the judge already has the power to order a deportation. However, a deportation should follow consideration of the case; it should not be automatic. Let me give the hon. Gentleman a few examples to illustrate my point. My hon. Friend the Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr. Carmichael) dealt with the case of Sakchai Makao, a Thai national who had lived on Shetland for 10 years. He went off the rails after the death of his stepfather and set fire to a car. He served eight months.

He committed the crime four years ago, but was rounded up last year. He no longer spoke Thai or had any real family connections in Thailand, yet he was threatened with deportation. Only the strength of feeling among the people of Shetland and their campaign prevented him from being removed.

On BBC R4 PM at the moment

It’s a good headline for the law and order Tory party innit? Send the murders and rapists home.
It’s only when you read about each case that it becomes apparent that there’s a lot more to it.

The annoying thing about this is that if you raise some concerns, then you are automatically labelled as wanting 'rapists and murderers to stay in this country'.

So much polarisation

@maylis
I get the point that people who no longer have close family ties should be given more consideration.

I'm just bored at all the insinuation that this is directed ONLY at black people in an effort to change the ethnic make up of the U.K. as I saw on Twitter.

Conflating the two is disingenuous, the set if circumstances that have led to this situation is unlikely to happen to you unless you are black and have a certain background.

David Lammy in the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/10/windrush-deporting-people

A good piece, he’s absolutely right.

Chevon Brown. Deported last year for a driving offence.

While we are at it, why wasn’t Vicky Price deported, instead of popping up everywhere reporting on economic indicators, bold as anything, as if she never served time at her majesty’s pleasure for perverting course of justice etc grrrr

The Daily Mail have their take on it

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7997253/Killer-rapist-set-walk-free-streets-thanks-appeal-courts.html

There is an interesting sentence in that article.

Another of the 25 Jamaican nationals taken off Tuesday's flight was a child rapist and, in all, the criminals were sentenced to an astonishing 136 years in prison, the Mail can reveal

136 years between 25 people tells you very little about the length of time served by each person - but it is a high figure to try and sway people.

David Lammy contributed to why the Conservatives now have an 80 seat majority. Some of his tweets border line on parody, I sometimes wonder if he's a Tory plant.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of people agree with deportations of criminals of any colour and won't be particularly interested in their race / nationality. They'll just be glad that a government is finally taking a stronger stance on deporting people who break the law.

David lammy contributed to why the conservatives have their majority?

Bullshit.

If course David Lammy was a big consideration for voters in the north. Examples of David Lammy being racist please?

Revisionist rubbish.

The far left just doesn’t get it - most people’s attitude to the deportation of foreign nationals who commit crimes here is “good riddance”.

And yes, Labour’s invariable determination to side against the British public is one of the major reasons they went down to their worst defeat since 1935.

See the election polling data collected by Lord Ashcroft, summarized nicely by Matt Singh here:

mobile.twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1226998579908300801

Chevon Brown. Deported last year for a driving offence.
Just a comment on this specific case as it is often used to show how harsh the system is. Driving offence makes it sound as if he parked on a double yellor or something but he seriously endangered life www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15246900.learner-driver-jailed-following-115mph-chase/. I don't know enough to say whether deportaion was right but I am uncomfortable with the term 'driving offence' being used to imply 'trivial'. He appears to have utterly disregarded the lives of others. The fact that his weapon was a car seems to aggravate this rather than diminish it.

David lammy contributed to why the conservatives have their majority?

Bullshit.

Is it?

However, it was disingenuous of him to have made the connection between this issue and the Windrush scandal.

Apologies if someone has already commented on this. But I think the reason there is a connection and he requested it to be delayed until the review is because some of these deportees are in fact children or grandchildren of the windrush generation, so depending on the outcome of that review some of them would in fact be British or have the right to apply for citizenship. I think it makes sense to wait rather than create more injustice.

Noconceptofnormal I think that video covers it all.

Why is Rolf Harris still here? Is it because he is white?

I love David Lammy!