David Lammy and Jamaican deportees

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David Lammy’s speech, in which he is critical of the government’s decision to deport convicted offenders to Jamaica, was very impassioned. However, it was disingenuous of him to have made the connection between this issue and the Windrush scandal. The two are not the same; the Windrush debacle was a disgrace and involved numbers of innocent individuals being caught up and deported illegally to the Caribbean . Those who were deported today were convicted criminals who served at least 12 months in prison and crucially, they were subject to due process. Unless there is evidence to indicate that other nationals of different ethnicities and races, such as white Australians, have not been subject to the same level of enforcement of this policy , he is wrong to label it as a racist move by the government.

It’s as if the Guardian designed an experimental chat bot. Wake up and enter the real world.

I suspect that in the 'real world', most people would have no issue with people who had come here as children, been brought up in the UK etc - they would not want them deporting to a country they had never really known.

It's just that this perspective is rarely given to people like that - nor framed that way.

I don't think most people are vindictive.

we Bought them up . Educated them . Their parents were invited here

And they decided to go off and commit a crime. A crime that resulted in a 12 month sentence no less. You have to do some pretty serious stuff to get a 12 month sentence in the UK.

Honestly, I just don't care about these people. They made their choice, they made their bed. Good riddance.

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Then by all means go find some reputable polling that backs up your view. But you won’t be able to do so.

Honestly, I just don't care about these people

I think that's the difference.

I also think that's the difference in attitudes towards the entire criminal justice system.

Then by all means go find some reputable polling that backs up your view

Have you got any reliable polling that supports the view that people think that anyone who was brought up here as a child, has lived here for ages should be deported for a crime of more than 12 months?

Note the specific question in that poll.

Well the scum certainly show their colours here.

First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out.

Fascist trash.

Honestly, I just don't care about these people

Does apply to all criminals and people that go off the rails ? Or just black ones

Would you be OK with a white British criminal of Irish heritage being deported to somewhere they didn’t know

I am not being all hug a hoody here . I just think deporting some black people to an island they have no recall of is shady as fuck

Bit the inbuilt racism in this country means it’s allowed

Boris Johnson hasn't been convicted (yet) and presumably there is some sort of statute of limitations effect on the conspiracy to commit ABH stuff. Presume should he be convicted of something we'll ship him back to his country of birth where he is still a citizen.

It applys to all criminals, why should I give a fuck about them? Seriously?
They don't give a fuck about the victims, the distress and destruction they leave in their wake. So why should I give a shit about them??

Well the scum certainly show their colours here

Name calling doesn't help.

The only argument people have is that they committed a crime and it's good riddance. There appears to be no empathy at all for the reasons why someone may have committed a crime or for the fact that people have been brought up as British and are probably just as likely to commit a crime as someone else brought up in similar circumstances in the UK.

They also think that because someone has empathy for someone who has committed a crime and then gets deported, then people have no empathy for the victim.

That's typical of current binary thinking.

Life is more complicated than that. But it's an easy response that requires little thought to articulate.

Have you got any reliable polling that supports the view that people think that anyone who was brought up here as a child, has lived here for ages should be deported for a crime of more than 12 months?

Yes - the public elected a Government with that policy in December by a landslide. I’m afraid the burden falls on you to prove that they didn’t want that policy.

So why should I give a shit about them

Because giving a shit about them may help further crime happening elsewhere to other people?

What do you think could happen to people in Jamaica where we have deported our 'home grown' criminals to - a place they don't know?

Yes - the public elected a Government with that policy in December by a landslide. I’m afraid the burden falls on you to prove that they didn’t want that policy

You do know that policy wasn't actually in the Conservative manifesto?

It has been law since 2007.

What do you think could happen to people in Jamaica where we have deported our 'home grown' criminals to - a place they don't know?

That's up to the Jamaican government, the same as its up to our government what happens when people get deported back to the UK

@Greysparkles You really don’t, I got ten months for pulling a man off a friend as he was beating them up, he then fell of the curb and broke his wrist. I was charged and found guilty of ABH and given ten months suspended.

He broke my friends ribs, nose and his right eye socket. He was charged with ABH and found innocent.

Apparently cctv showing him beating the absolute crap out of my friend wasn’t enough evidence to find him guilty. But me pulling him off and then ignoring him while a bouncer restrained him was more than enough to find me guilty.

I am brown, my friend he beat up is brown. He was white, privately educated with wealthy parents.

I can’t muster up the empathy to feel sorry for criminals. Good riddance to them. Wish we could send all criminals off somewhere else.

Well, found not guilty before someone takes offence at found innocent

@SimonJT I don’t believe a word you’ve just said.

I would send a link to the (admittedly very small) press link, but a stranger on the internet not believing me doesn’t bother me enough to lose my privacy.

Like I said I don’t really care about criminals....

I’m glad the law repatriates criminals to their country of origin. I think it’s right. We have enough of our own nasty people to deal with.

It has been law since 2007.

Yes, and the Conservatives ran on upholding that law, and won a landslide.

Therefore the policy has a huge democratic mandate, whereas yours has none.

QED

Sometimes nasties get sent back to blighty, too.
It Feels like a dog-whistle policy that does nothing for actual public safety of avg person.
Do they get sent back after they served full sentence in UK?

Sometimes nasties get sent back to blighty, too

There have been several high profile cases.

The comments from politicians are interesting

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378487/Criminal-Clifford-Tucker-sent-Britain-40-years-Australia.html

If a British person commits a crime in another country, they should be deported and we should take responsibility