To think you should carry your child?

[ClaudiaWankleman]

Parents with small children who insist on letting them try to walk up the stairs on the tube/ train/ other busy public areas.

It inevitably creates a tight bottleneck at an area a bottleneck is already going to form. We all have to squeeze into 2/3 of the space while you lead a wobbling toddler up some stairs that are way too advanced for them.

Not only is it horrendously dirty when they sit down on the third step before you heave them back up (always happens) it seems quite dangerous. There is always the chance that someone will accidentally trample them as it’s quite difficult to see in the restricted spaces.

Not least that if I had been able to get up the stairs 15 seconds quicker I would’ve been on my train instead of having to wait for the next one.

AIBU to think that you should carry your child?

JustSayYo
people who are making a nuisance to others are the ones being rude.

The tone of my post was just in reply to the poster who was looking down at "common" people like me.... If you didn't pick up on that, maybe your own intelligence level is not as high as you like to think? Don't fret too much my dear

The tone of my post was just in reply to the poster who was looking down at "common" people like me

You’re speaking to everyone like that, though, aren’t you?

Because you’re basically a rude person.

People need to look where they are going. It's bollocks to say you can't see a toddler in a train station. If this mother did use a buggy you'd get a million comments on how a 3 year old is far too big for a buggy. Should she have waited for a bus with an empty buggy space because everyone else had to wait 10 seconds? Have you ever tried to collapse a buggy and keep a toddler from being pushed down the stairs in a crowd? Or had a bad back so really couldn't carry a three year old down the stairs without pain. I despair. Have a tiny bit of empathy and realise that fully healthy adults are not the only people allowed to use public spaces.

Children in buggies, fine, children who kick people repeatedly, little bastards, was what I took from that post.

I'm pretty sure it was both.

In any case, little kids do that sort of thing.They're hardly bastards, fgs.

If you didn't pick up on that, maybe your own intelligence level is not as high as you like to think? Don't fret too much my dear

That's the second time you've accused me of being unintelligent merely for disagreeing with you. So how do you justify that rudeness?

Children call each other stupid when they disagree. Adults tend to explain their points without resorting to rudeness, condescension or insults.

JustSayYo
I quote you: You have been rude and condescending throughout this conversation.

If you insult me, I have a right to reply my dear. If you don't like my tone, that's not my problem.

I don't get in people's way, unlike some others who pride themselves on doing just so on this thread, so no, I am not the one being rude.

people who are making a nuisance to others are the ones being rude.

Imagine thinking that people using stairs as intended are making a nuisance to others, simply because one person is a child.

With the sort of attitude shown in this thread, I'm having a hard time believing that JosefKeller does leave space for other commuters as claimed. The level of rudeness doesn't tally with such claims of being considerate.

I'm also pretty sure that each one of us thinks we are much more considerate than we actually are. That includes JosefKeller too.

If you don't like my tone, that's not my problem.

I could say the same about my backside, which you’d be looking at while you stubbornly refused to excuse yourself like a civil human being.

With the sort of attitude shown in this thread, I'm having a hard time believing that JosefKeller does leave space for other commuters as claimed.

believe what you want, no one has to ask me to get out of the way, that's a first clue

@JosefKeller

How did I insult you? By calling you rude?

So you tell me, if your children spoke to people the way you have spoken on this thread (as above, calling people "idiots", "fuckers", "my poor dear", "your ladyship" and calling them unintelligent), would you be proud or would you reprimand them for being rude?

JustSayYo

when I have had to waste 1 hour of my life waiting for the next time because some selfish idiots cheerfully blocked the way instead of showing basic manners, I make absolutely no apologies for calling them fucking idiots, and I have actually a lot worst to describe them.

Now if you think the words "dear" and "ladyship" are rude, and you feel a bit miffed because someone has a different opinion, I can't help. I don't actually care either. Just get out of the fucking way, you'll be a dear

when I have had to waste 1 hour of my life waiting for the next time because some selfish idiots cheerfully blocked the way instead of showing basic manners

“Excuse me.”

It’s not hard. You learn it in nursery school.

If I miss my transport it will take me either 30 min or 1 hour (sometimes 1:30) to get the next one.

It's incredibly rare that I may miss it because of a small delay. Because I arrive there with plenty of time. And if I do miss it because someone caused me a small delay at the very last stretch, I could hardly blame them alone, or be so rude about them.
Because I'm not a twat.

And self-service check outs - I had a loud parent experience the other day while there was a queue about seven deep waiting to pay.
"Now darling, you know where the bar code is on the fresh mackerel pate, don't you? No, this way. That's right. Now can you put it in the bag? Good girl! Right, so what's next? You choose. Oh, the loose shiitake mushrooms. We have to look those up on the fruit and vegetables section, don't we." No!! We don't!! We need to just put our flipping shopping through and get out of the way before the woman behind us with a pint of milk completely flips and bludgeons us to death with it!!

It’s not hard. You learn it in nursery school.

you also learn not to block the way in the first place, it's even less hard.

Because I arrive there with plenty of time.

I am not sure I would be so proud to have 30 minutes or 1 hour to waste every day to ensure I catch the train I need, make it 2 hours to account for the usual delay and cancellations. There and back.

It's obvious who uses public transports and who doesn't...

you also learn not to block the way in the first place, it's even less hard.

Again, people walking in front of you aren’t “blocking the way” so much as just going where they need to go. This is your entitlement talking again. If you want people to move, just ask them.

@JosefKeller

Way to go on answering a completely different question from the one I asked 👍

Honestly, it's like when the guy in Sixth Sense didn't know he was dead. I'm out ✌

Many women have pelvic floor issues and they CAN pick up their child but it will aggravate their condition. So only when it’s absolutely necessary. I don’t think a tube station falls into that category.

It’s tricky in London - busses and busy tubes are not buggy friendly and I certainly couldn’t carry a toddler for long.
People young and old move at different speeds - toddlers, elderly, disabled...we just have to be tolerant imo.

I have seen someone trip over a toddler on the tube and the child then go flying down the stairs. He definitely had a broken leg and everyone involved including those of us who witnessed it were traumatised. You need to hold your child or buggy and if you can’t then use a bloody taxi / bus / walk.

You need to hold your child or buggy and if you can’t then use a bloody taxi / bus / walk.

Don’t be silly. People need to be conscious of the fact that small people sometimes walk more slowly than they do. Children are just small people. Like you are a person. Like I am a person. They’re every bit as entitled to walk as you are.

YANBU

To all those saying use a buggy, how do you propose people navigate the stairs with toddler and buggy. Obviously it lifts are available, most parents with a buggy will take that option, but we all know those are rare and when they exist often overwhelmed.