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AIBU to ask if you are worried about the new coronavirus? - continued

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IvyBush123 · 10/02/2020 19:29

Here is the old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3813759-AIBU-to-ask-you-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-Coronavirus?pg=40

Here is a twitter video from Wuhan I want to share because it so heartbreaking. People happily celebrating shortly before it became known that there was a virus outbreak. There already were some rumors but people didn’t believe them:
twitter.com/WLaowai8/status/1225637845508837377

@Yourtunbridgewells: The info you are sharing (472000 deaths in the UK) is very scary. Is this a worst case scenario.

@justdeckingthehalls: Epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding writes that it is airborne on twitter: twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226236552059260928
N95 masks help against airborne transmission don’t they?

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Pootlepootlepootle · 11/02/2020 12:17

Feel better that there are less kids affected, mostly adults getting it.
2 Brighton primary schools now have teachers in self-isolation, parents have been told that they can keep kids off school if they want but risk is low.
2 GP surgeries closed, tho one now re-opened and staff at a pub in Hove have been asked to self-isolate as a precaution...

IvyBush123 · 11/02/2020 12:20

@Pootlepootlepootle Not so sure. What happens to our kids if both of us should die? They are to young to fend for themselves. It has happened to kids in Wuhan. There are corona orphans now. Who cares for them?

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Pootlepootlepootle · 11/02/2020 12:23

IvyBush123 ??? Whoever you have named to look after your kids in case of accident etc. Ours are in our wills.
Our DC have asthma which is why I feel better hearing that it’s mostly adults affected.

KipperBangBang · 11/02/2020 12:23

Did you lot get bored of the Brexit conspiracies when nothing happened? Honestly, this thread is full of people who would be better placed seeing a dr for anxiety let alone corona virus

fripperyclose · 11/02/2020 12:23

Just so you know, all the French tests so far (61 of them) for Coronavirus in Les Contamines-Montjoie have come back negative, including the siblings of the infected nine-year-old at the chalet

That's great news isn't it! Can we focus on that? There's a hell of a lot of doom and gloom conjecture on this thread.

yolofish · 11/02/2020 12:24

ooh it's Kipper! I have encountered him/her on another thread. They seem to just enjoy trying to be outrageous or derailing discussion.

fripperyclose · 11/02/2020 12:25

I am not sure if it is true. Just something I heard on twitter*

This should be a disclaimer for the whole thread Grin.

potatochipsandcheese · 11/02/2020 12:26

@yolofish
Best ignore then!

KipperBangBang · 11/02/2020 12:26

I just can't help stumbling across idiots in the past 24 hours. I honestly don't mean to derail.

And now I see people being glad they're white so they may not die from it. Unbelievable.

I wish MN would create a board where all you lot can go. Funny how you're also on both threads Yolo

potatochipsandcheese · 11/02/2020 12:27

@fripperyclose

True... very true

IvyBush123 · 11/02/2020 12:28

I don’t have a will. I am 31. Feels so morbid... and I will not make one now because I am not planing to die.

We have siblings who would look after them and it was more like a rhetorical question: How will they cope without us?

However if a lot of the parents in a society die and a lot of the children survive that going to create problems.

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IvyBush123 · 11/02/2020 12:33

I am talking of Wuhan here where unfortunately just this happens: parents die, there children survive and they life in a poor second world country. I feel for those kids.

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Runmybathforme · 11/02/2020 12:33

I think it’s worth bearing in mind that thousands of people die in the U.K. from ‘flu every year, but many people don’t bother to get vaccinated against it. Hard to understand the panic now.

IvyBush123 · 11/02/2020 12:34

*their children

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potatochipsandcheese · 11/02/2020 12:44

@Runmybathforme

This is a very different virus to the flu.

The flu has a 1.3 infection rate
NCV has a 3-4 infection rate
Flu is droplet spread
NCV is airborne
Even if we believe the chinese (which I don’t suggest) the death rate from NCV is far higher

We have been given no statistics about long terms complications.

Anyone who thinks the Chinese shut their economy for this long and barricaded a city, closed boarders and built hospitals in 2 days for ‘the flu’ is simply being belligerent

RedToothBrush · 11/02/2020 12:49

The way the virus enters the body is thought to be through ACE-2 receptors. The researcher on this is early but has been studied a little as SARS entered the body in the same way.

Ace-2 receptors are in higher concentrations in men than women, so men are thought to be generally more prone to infection to begin with.

Having a high concentration of ACE-2 receptors means you are more predesposed to having certain underlying conditions which, if you catch NCP, mean you may have a more serious reaction to it.

So this is thought to be a possible double whammy of extra risk factors.

There is also thought to be a third from your ethnic genetic background.

East Asian populations (so China, Japan, South Korean etc) have the highest concentration of ACE-2 receptors cells, high than in black or causcian populations.

If all this research does turn out to be true it could mean that Chinese men with diabetes or heart problems could be particularly at risk. Especially if their overall access to health care is poorer than the West with conditions which make you higher risk left untreated or undiagnosed.

We should be aware of this because it does highlight racism within medicine and medical research.

To date most research into ACE-2 receptors has been carried out on white populations. This could mean that we are at a massive disadvantage to stop the spread of NCP because we don't fully understand crucial things about ACE-2 receptors. It stresses the need for greater diversity in research as a failure to examine how different genetic populations have slightly different health risks could be putting us all at risk as a pandemic particularly proves.

Since the SARS outbreak 17 years ago, there has been little interest in researching how viruses enter the body through ACE-2 receptors. This could be viewed as racist in its own right. Why did no one want to look into producing a potential vaccine when the death rate of SARS so was high? Its a massive oversight.

In terms of the UK, the fact we are a majority causcian population means as a herd, our country may have a slight extra resistance to infection. This could benefit non-White because it might mean the rate of infection is lower and there may be far less serious cases, meaning those who do get very sick have better access to care. This might make a massive difference to how it affects us in a pandemic.

This may all yet prove to be untrue once fully researched, but if entry into the body is indeed ACE-2 receptors this will mean that certain populations will have more risk factors than others. From a scientific point of view we should talk about this rather than trying to be politically correct.

Thats not to say that we shouldn't be sensitive to how racism can be used and arise because of this difference in risk factors. Its a fine line, but trying to shut down this conversation does leave those already most vulnerable to this disease in a position where extra help and support isn't provided.

Ultimately failure to research how the body works, means that we have less knowledge overall for treating any number of diseases - regardless of ethnic background. This isn't restricted to NCP.

So yes, skin colour does potentially matter here. But not for cultural reasons. NCP isn't racist but might effect those with certain genetics to a greater or lesser extent. We need to know if it does, to identify and help those most at risk.

IvyBush123 · 11/02/2020 12:53

What are those ACE2 receptors actually good for? Why do people have them? Give you diabetes, high blood pressure, make you prone to corona and SARS yet more then 90 percent of East Asian males (and 30 perecent of whites) are said to have a high amount of them. Why? They must offer some advantages.

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RichPetunia · 11/02/2020 12:54

I'm not at all worried. If great swathes of the population were to die it wouldn't bother me. Perhaps the natural world would then have a chance to flourish.

RedToothBrush · 11/02/2020 12:57

I heard it on twitter and am not sure if this is true.

It's not just something floating about on twitter. Research papers into ACE-2 receptors do seem to back this up. But none of this is properly peer reviewed when it comes to NCP. So it's early days still to say conclusively if this is correct.

It could be one reason why there is a discrepancy between numbers inside and outside China. Though there are many other reasons which also need to be taken into consideration.

Overall medical research across the board is causcian biased and this needs to be looked at because there implications of this. It is a point for discussion. The problem is this is an area which has in the past had something of a nasty history, precisely because of human bias and racism. This makes it a tricky discussion.

PotholeParadise · 11/02/2020 12:59

My only hope is that it doesn’t kill Caucasians because my children are Caucasian.

Wait what? What about hoping that all the work on quarantining works?

Why skip over that step?! Why is your go-to just hoping that white people will be resistant to it?

We're on page 3 and the thread has jumped the shark!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 11/02/2020 13:02

@RedToothBrush I absolutely agree the implications of different ethnic backgrounds are worthy of discussion. I know it is a factor, for example the high incidence of diseases like Tay Sachs amongst Jewish people.

But the difference between your reasoned, intelligent post and statements like "My only hope is that it doesn’t kill Caucasians because my children are Caucasian. Which is cruel and I feel bad about thinking that but it’s true. My main concern is that my kids don’t die." is huge.

I think the discussion can be had without statements like the above, and I think it's important we don't let racism and ignorance go unchallenged, whilst having the discussion.

cologne4711 · 11/02/2020 13:10

I think it’s worth bearing in mind that thousands of people die in the U.K. from ‘flu every year, but many people don’t bother to get vaccinated against it

Lots of people aren't covered by the NHS programme because they're not deemed high risk. I'm healthy and in the 40-49 age group and I don't have any relatives with conditions that affect their immune systems (my mum is 80 but she's not immune suppressed and has been vaccinated herself), so I don't need it and therefore unsurprisingly don't qualify for it.

This is different because we don't know exactly what it is, how virulent it is and what the long term effects are. Flu is horrible for someone like me but I will get over it. At the moment I can't be sure that would be the case for this virus.

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RedToothBrush · 11/02/2020 13:14

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles I agree completely.

I posted what I did, because obviously that poster has heard something about risk factors, but is using it in a way which lacks sensitivity and does carry racist undertones. I think it important to turn that comment into something worthwhile to the discussion though.

It should be challenged whilst explaining how racism here, possibly has led to the outbreak of NCP and our global lack of adequate response to the crisis.

We were well aware of the ACE-2 receptor issue due to SARS. The question is whether we are in the position we are now, because that wasn't taken seriously as a global threat and instead was seen as a 'chinese illness' and problem. It does seem like it could well be the case.

White families might not be worrying about their children now, if the response 17 years ago from the west had been different and had thought about the implications for chinese children.

potatochipsandcheese · 11/02/2020 13:16

@RedToothBrush
I had no idea the same was true for SARS.

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