AIBU to ask if you are worried about the new coronavirus? - continued

[IvyBush123]

Here is the old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3813759-AIBU-to-ask-you-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-Coronavirus?pg=40

Here is a twitter video from Wuhan I want to share because it so heartbreaking. People happily celebrating shortly before it became known that there was a virus outbreak. There already were some rumors but people didn’t believe them:
twitter.com/WLaowai8/status/1225637845508837377

@Yourtunbridgewells: The info you are sharing (472000 deaths in the UK) is very scary. Is this a worst case scenario.

@justdeckingthehalls: Epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding writes that it is airborne on twitter: twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226236552059260928
N95 masks help against airborne transmission don’t they?

As long as you've got teachers being obliged to work when ill there's little point worrying too much about sending pupils in when they're under the weather.

Teachers are my children's school don't seem to have much trouble being off sick so there is obviously some variation. Regardless, as adults they are likely to be less contagious than children. Not sitting too close to the children for prolonged time, washing hands regularly (if unable to) using hand gel would help to reduce transmission. But yes employers shouldn't pressurise them to go in if they are sick.

Regarding hospitals in Wuhan being overwhelmed I read this article ,which I think suggests that the hospitals weren't overwhelmed and that the building of 2 new ones was more of a publicity exercise .

i don't know what to make of it - what do ppl think ?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/12/what-chinas-empty-new-coronavirus-hospitals-say-about-its-secretive-system

Timelapse videos tracked the almost incomprehensibly fast construction of the hospitals, and state media celebrated their opening in early February. The only thing missing a week later? Patients

Four days after its opening, the larger Leishenshan hospital had only 90 patients, on wards designed for 1,600, but was reporting no spare beds, Wuhan city health data, first reported by the Chinese magazine Caixin, showed. The other facility, Huoshenshan, had not yet filled its 1,000 beds a week after opening.

Meanwhile, the city was setting up emergency hospitals in exhibition halls and a sports stadium, and medics were still turning some ill people away. China has the world’s largest army but it has not deployed any field hospitals to Wuhan

That's really strange - I read something similar. On the one hand, lots of stories of people queuing at hospitals and being turned away, on the other hand the new ones being empty. Perhaps they haven't got the staff for them yet? Or one of them isn't really real?

If roughly 1 in 5 people with symptoms need hospital treatment, though, it's hard to see how hospitals can not be overwhelmed once the number of ill people goes above a certain amount. Keeping that number low will at any one point in time will be what makes the difference, if it becomes widespread.

I've read on another forum a summary of a medical paper, suggesting that the severe cases could well be people who have caught it for the second time.

First time mild, second time triggered cytokines storm reaction leading to sudden death.

Not sure how feasible it is, but unfortunately I guess time will tell.

I in 5 needing hospital treatment seems a lot. How many people with flu need to go to hospital?

Most schools have insurance to pay for supply teachers don't they. They do in the county I live and the one where I work.
I guess if they don't have insurance they might be more pushy about staff coming in ill.

*First time mild, second time triggered cytokines storm reaction leading to sudden death.

Not sure how feasible it is, but unfortunately I guess time will tell.*

Sounds like ridiculous scaremongering to me.

@Words do you have a link to the actual paper?

There was something on Peak Prosperity about it, but the story can from a man who told his fried who told his cousin who told a newspaper in Taiwan. In other words, a questionable source!

As we have not seen people been dropping like flies from Coronavirus it sounds like someone has found a new theory to whip up some fear.

"Okay so you might not die the first time, but you'll definitely die the second time I swear!" Hmmmmm

First time mild, second time triggered cytokines storm reaction leading to sudden death

Where is the evidence for this please? And not just something someone posted on Facebook. Can you provide a link please

I don’t know how they could possibly produce a legit medical study on this when it was only discovered like, 2 months ago.

As I said, no idea whether this is scare mongering crap or not, as I'm not medically trained. It may very well be

Here's a c and p of the reference. I can't do a link as on the app.

academic.oup.com/ajcp/advance- - article/doi/10.1093/ajcp/aqaa0 - 29/5735509 onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10 - .1111/ijcp.13488 biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/20 - 20.01.24.915157v1

Tear me to shreds!

One thing I can talk about with some authority is gov comms. Austerity has seen massive cut backs and loss of a lot of experience, especially regionally. Not all Whitehall departments have regionally based comms people, who used to be on the frontline with crisis comms, along with local authorities and blue light services. There used to be regular emergency planning exercises. Not sure if this still happens, but would doubt it.

It’s not coming up with anything

Scroll on by everyone, Words has just apparently made a sick of herself on the country's best know parenting website....

Sick? Dick!

You see what I mean...

What is the title of the paper? It will be easy to find if we know that

That would be horrible . I know it is like this with dengue fever. First time you get infected the infection is mild. Second time it may trigger a cytokine storm that might kill you.

Try this link for the paper: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13488

(I haven't read it!)

I think the first link on Words' post is meant to be: academic.oup.com/ajcp/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ajcp/aqaa029/5735509

No mention of cytokine storm in the paper.

And I think this is the final link: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.20.913368v2

Am I missing something? I can’t see anything about being infected a second time and “sudden death”

I can't see anything relevant on any of the three links...