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AIBU to think taking a “Mental Health Day” is a bit wanky?

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Throwawaytheatre · 09/02/2020 09:34

Honest disclaimer: I’m not trying to minimise mental illness... I’ve suffered with depression myself and attempted suicide three times since I was 16.

I work in management in a corporate environment. Over the past couple of years I’ve seen a rise in my staff (and I hate to say, it does tend to be the younger ones) taking what they call “mental health days”

Now if your mental health is so bad that you cannot get out of bed, come into work and do your job (or at least reduced duties) then you have my upmost sympathy. And when you come back, I would expect occupational health involved and a support plan to help you manage your illness.

But... you shouldn’t take a day or two off - which will have a detrimental impact on the rest of the team - just because you are bit tired or stressed. Especially as in my industry, you don’t work weekends and so are never more than five days away from your next day off.

I firmly believe that if you are capable of being in work, you should be in work. You are an adult, with contractual obligation and responsibility that you get paid to fulfil.

To further clarify; I’m talking about when members of my team call in sick for one day (often a Monday or Friday) and upon their back to work interview tell me that they were just “mentally exhausted” or “needed to recharge”, when I suggest the route of occupational health or support they don’t want that - they agree there is nothing we need to change to support them.

I had one young lady take three days sickness, go to Disneyland Paris which was plastered all over Facebook; and then upon return tell me it was a “mental health break”. She had not diagnosed condition and no intent on seeking any medical assistance she just “needed a break”

Prompted by a member of my team texting me this morning to say they will be having tomorrow off as “it’s been a stressful week, and [they] don’t feel they have fully recovered over the weekend.”

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adaline · 09/02/2020 10:46

I'd link to to physical illness... You wouldn't take a day off for a headache, mild cold symptoms or a bit of a cough. You would probably find once at work, you would be busy or find strategies to get through the day and still be productive. But once it gets to the point you can't get out of bed, need to go to the doctors or have a contagious disease, you would. Same with mental health.

I don't think you can compare the two. A headache or a mild cold can be dealt with by taking painkillers and carrying on as normal. You can't just pop a pill and get rid of anxiety or depression.

I've just left a job because I was utterly unsupported by my manager when I had MH issues. I was signed off by a GP for six weeks and when I went back I was basically bullied out by people who clearly have absolutely no concept of the effects mental health can have on a person.

If someone needed a day out to get themselves better I would absolutely support that.

lemonysnickett88 · 09/02/2020 10:46

I had a mental health month from being a mum when I was sectioned last year. Don't recommend it though, but the food is free ;)

adaline · 09/02/2020 10:46

also work has helped me through some of the most mentally challenging times of my life

But surely you realise it's not like that for everyone? For some, work is th cause of the MH issues they're experiencing in the first place.

testing987654321 · 09/02/2020 10:48

So everyone who takes a day off work has a serious illness which needs a doctor?

Surely people sometimes do need a day off when everything is just getting too much, it might stop them having a breakdown and being off for weeks.

StealthPolarBear · 09/02/2020 10:48

I'd expect a surgeon who was mentally unwell to call in sock. I'd expect him or her to manage her own time, weekends, evenings etc so as not to be exhausted on a day they are committed to work.

littlejalapeno · 09/02/2020 10:48

Ok boomer

ForalltheSaints · 09/02/2020 10:48

There have always been people who have more days off sick than others, some because they are lazy, and some because in a way they do more than they are capable of doing (burn the candle at both ends) or have not been willing to address an issue and seek help if appropriate.

I wonder if some people describe something as a mental health issue instead of the physical symptoms because they feel it will make them less likely to 'be in trouble' at their place of work.

lemonysnickett88 · 09/02/2020 10:49

Having been there myself, I fail to see how one day off can prevent a mental health breakdown. You don't get magically better after a day if you're on the edge of a breakdown.

jellycatspyjamas · 09/02/2020 10:49

There's always a few days when you would benefit from not going to work, but not waste annual leave on them.

I think this is partly what bothers me, it’s not a waste of annual leave to use it to give yourself a rest - annual leave is there go give you a break and rest from work. I disagree with people using “mental health” as an excuse because they don’t want to use their annual leave allowance. Why should employers carry the cost of you fancying a day off work when you have an annual leave allowance for that purpose - which then impacts on people who may really need that time off not just because they could do with a day off but because they’re not functioning.

furrytoebean · 09/02/2020 10:51

I don't think it's wanky at all.

Exhaustion is real and it's so sad that we are conditioned to just 'suck it up'.

Surely we should be resting before it gets to the stage where we are at crises point.
I think we should be pushing for this far more in our culture, we aren't just machines who's whole purpose is our output. We deserve to have a quality of life too.

In an ideal world we would get more holidays.

Running yourself into the ground shouldn't be a badge of honour.

Bibijayne · 09/02/2020 10:52

I think there's a difference between being stressed or mentally unwell and needing a sick day and needing a holiday. That said, what is the a/l situation like where you work? Is it the legal minimum? If so, you'd probable save on sick days by just increasing leave allowances by a day or two.

For me, I'm glad younger people feel able to be open about MH issues and stress and deal with it promptly rather than struggling through to crisis point.

WobblyAllOver · 09/02/2020 10:54

Having been there myself, I fail to see how one day off can prevent a mental health breakdown.

Why does it have to be about having a breakdown. Just like physical health it helps to make sure it doesn't get to that point.

If a day to take timeout mentally helps stop that becoming a slowly progressing issue then that's better than dragging yourself in until you have to be signed off for longer. It's the same for physical illnesses, sometimes staying at home and getting rest means you get to full health quicker.

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 09/02/2020 10:54

I'd expect a surgeon who was mentally unwell to call in sock. I'd expect him or her to manage her own time, weekends, evenings etc so as not to be exhausted on a day they are committed to work.

But you asked how would people feel if their surgery was cancelled becasue the surgeon was having a "duvet day".so either they can call in sick or they cant.

What level of being mental unwell is worthy of a day off then?

adaline · 09/02/2020 10:55

Why should employers carry the cost of you fancying a day off work when you have an annual leave allowance for that purpose

Lots of places won't allow you to book annual leave at such short notice.

MulticolourMophead · 09/02/2020 10:56

For all those saying Annaul Leave is for R&R and decompression, I'm sure that the parents of small chidren will think you are joking.

When mine were small, ex and I had to co-ordinate our leave so that we covered as much of the school holidays as possible, and even then, still had to use expensive child care to cover gaps.

We rarely had time to just chill, and I had the added bonus of ex being a dick, so that now and again, he'd tell me I had to sort out some childcare because he'd decided to use some of his AL to just chill.

Never mind that I was juggling all the mental load, the bulk of the childcare, all the housework and also my FT job, he needed to chill.

My boss was a bully, and ultimately I was signed off for 4 months with stress and anxiety so bad I was bouncing off the walls. Some days off to take time to myself might have avoided this.

I still had the ex thinking I could still do everything on the grounds I wasn't at work. Left him, changed job, and now so much happier.

Mental health days are definitely a need. My own workplace had an event this week to signpost where people could get help for MH issues, etc. Because they think it's necessary

Kirkman · 09/02/2020 10:56

The problem is that lots of people (not exclusively younger) are using mental health days as extra annual leave. Or a thinking it's a get out clause for taking sick and then going about their usual business.

adaline · 09/02/2020 10:58

I'd expect him or her to manage her own time, weekends, evenings etc so as not to be exhausted on a day they are committed to work

Yeah, because work is so important and everybody should prioritise it 100% of the time, even if it's to the detriment of their own health and wellbeing, is that it?

JosefKeller · 09/02/2020 10:58

Eh? If you need to not go to work, that's exactly what annual leave is for.

my annual leave is entirely used for my holidays frankly, and split with DH to look after the kids.

I haven't enough annual leave to waste it because I have a lot of private stuff to catch up with, or could do with a day of rest.

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 09/02/2020 10:59

I think this is partly what bothers me, it’s not a waste of annual leave to use it to give yourself a rest - annual leave is there go give you a break and rest from work. I disagree with people using “mental health” as an excuse because they don’t want to use their annual leave allowance.

Its not always that simple though. I use all my annual leave to manage childcare, me and DP have only 1 week a year off together and this is the case with many people. If I used annual leave (which I cant because it's all full until the end of September) I'd have to worry about childcare another time.

lemonysnickett88 · 09/02/2020 10:59

@WobblyAllOver it was in response to a comment before mine.

AnnaMagnani · 09/02/2020 10:59

3 days to Disneyland all over Facebook on a self cert = disciplinary action.

A quiet day off and claiming it was for something else - fine but be careful about what your Bradford score is, you might want that sick day for something else later in the year! And be honest with yourself - is what you really need a holiday, for which you are provided with annual leave.

The people I know with genuine mental illness including me may be open about it, may be not, but are careful about their sickness as they know they may need it.

I had 2 months off with mental health during which as part of recovery I had a nice team going to the V & A but I made sure I didn't put that all over social media, I'm not an idiot!

WobblyAllOver · 09/02/2020 10:59

I wonder if it's the 'younger' generation doing this more is because they have been bought up with more mental health awareness.

It's a shame we need adverts and campaigns to highlight it but I think it's directed at my age group which are very much in the frame of mind that mental health issues have to be hidden. It really isn't healthy to do that long term and the more progressive companies recognise that.

adaline · 09/02/2020 11:00

The problem is that lots of people (not exclusively younger) are using mental health days as extra annual leave. Or a thinking it's a get out clause for taking sick and then going about their usual business.

But then the problem is those people taking the piss, not the existence of MH days themselves.

People will always take the piss. If it's not a mental health day, they'll have a migraine, or their car will break down, or they'll need to stay home for the plumber or something. If someone needs a MH day, they should be able to take it. If someone is taking the piss, then that should be addressed as a separate issue.

Stabbitha1 · 09/02/2020 11:06

Its either annual leave or sick leave, each have their own process. If theyre off sick theyre off sick doesnt matter why.

Kirkman · 09/02/2020 11:06

Yeah, because work is so important and everybody should prioritise it 100% of the time, even if it's to the detriment of their own health and wellbeing, is that it?

No they need to balance their commitments.

my annual leave is entirely used for my holidays frankly, and split with DH to look after the kids

So how do you magically just not need to look after the kids if you take it as something other than annual leave?

You use all your annual leave for childcare. But magically the day is free if you call in sick?

But then the problem is those people taking the piss, not the existence of MH days themselves

No. Because mental health days have become something people arent allowed to question. Something to be admired, if people feel they need it. 'Well done to them for taking care of their mental health".

Its sick leave. Whatever is going on its sick leave. Not something magically more admirable or untouchable because they call it something else.

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