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AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?

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IvyBush123 · 04/02/2020 06:41

I am not sure if there is reason to worry about the new Coronavirus. I am not a medical expert but to be honest feel a bit scared because we know so little and some experts seem worried. How do you think?

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 23:45

www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/reporters-notebook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu
Reporter's Notebook: Life and death in a Wuhan coronavirus ICU

As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week, some cases would take a turn for the worse.

In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4 per cent to 5 per cent, Dr Peng said.

And

As of Jan 28, of the entire hospital's medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff.

(its the hospital in the Journal mentioned above - and they think the staff are less infected)

And

Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.

And

Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. Have you seen such a phenomenon in the coronavirus outbreak?

Peng: Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage

And

The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.

So 3 weeks duration of illness generally. 4 to 5 death rate amongst seriously ill (they have not even counted mild infections in this calculation so it's not an overall death rate anywhere near that high - just an absence of data), overall most people do recover, the lack of medical protection is severely hampering care and exposing health care workers to infection particularly at moments where there is high risk of infection.

Interview is eye opening.

DontCallMeDarling · 08/02/2020 01:04

Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless.

This. No matter where you are from, the courage and compassion of medical staff is AMAZING and so selfless.

ShanghaiDiva · 08/02/2020 03:16

Agree. I have lived in China for 12 years and am amazed at the actions the Chinese have taken and the selfless actions of so many from medical personnel, to people working in shops and pharmacies to teachers in my dd’s school who are setting up home learning, (while at the same time Ensuring the health and safety of their own children.

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2020 07:52

Yes they are incredible. Its humbling.

The virus has an official name now to distinguish it from other coronaviruses.

NCP as "Novel coronavirus pneumonia".

YoursTunbridgeWells · 08/02/2020 12:43

Latest news is bleak with the Frances cases. It's a matter of time before it floods the UK.

I suspect we will all be exposed within a couple of months. The question is who will succumb to the virus. Those of us with weak immune systems will likely die a painful death as organs shut down as you drown with pneumonia. Those that don't die may be left with permanent health issues. Of course, some will be lucky and get through and recover with no real lasting effects.

In some respects getting it early could be a blessing before theUK hospitals are overwhelmed and have to turn away patients as is the case in China. Once the NHS is dealing with thousands of new cases, there will be no health care for the majoirty and those that may have survived with appropriate care will be left to die at home.

We can prep as much as we can with food and fuel stocks, we can panic buy the country dry but ultimately with no medical care this could have a statistical impact on populations numbers.

I don't want my children to be left with out their parents or family. But how do you know who will be left to care for them? Feels very much like Nevil Chute's "On the Beach".

Dongdingdong · 08/02/2020 12:47

I suspect we will all be exposed within a couple of months. The question is who will succumb to the virus. Those of us with weak immune systems will likely die a painful death as organs shut down as you drown with pneumonia.

Oh for goodness sakes. As I said before, the death toll from this disease is absolutely minuscule as a percentage of world population. Honestly I don’t know how some of the people on this thread manage to leave the house.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 08/02/2020 13:04

dongdingdong yes you're right for now and I hope that continues to be the case.

However, I think it's short sighted (in general not you personally) not to see the potential of this. The economic impact will be pretty significant even with a low death rate. Many many people in China are not working as factories have shut down, people are quarantined. The knock on impact is already being felt - eg car manufacturers have had to close as the parts they need from China have not been manufactured.

For those of us with health anxiety (particularly due to underlying health issues), this is a bleak time, with no real hope. It's the not having any control and knowing the usual support systems (NHS etc) may not be able to help us when we need them most. Though I do admit it's probably more likely that I;ll get run over by a bus tomorrow.

RoseAndRose · 08/02/2020 13:12

For those who like gallows humour, was I struck by how apt is the name of the ski resort: "Contamines-Montjoie"

woodchuck99 · 08/02/2020 13:30

Latest news is bleak with the Frances cases. It's a matter of time before it floods the UK.

I think that is probably from the same meeting in Singapore that seems to have infected others. I don't think it necessarily means it's about to flood the UK. It's a waiting game at the moment. They might get it under control with the quarantine measures in China.

eeeyoresmiles · 08/02/2020 13:33

dongdingdong - yes right now the death toll is small, but when you're standing on a track facing a train in the distance, it's not where that train is right now that matters, but its speed and direction.

It is a fact that if enough people get the virus at once here, we will not all get the treatment we need, because about a quarter of the cases need serious hospital treatment and that kind of spare capacity simply doesn't exist in the UK (or any) health system.

So in deciding how likely this is to happen, the question becomes: how likely is it that there will be large numbers of cases here? The situation of "hardly any infections in the uk" is true now but it's not as though that's a stable situation that's been the same for months. The situation is changing rapidly - it's how fast is spreading that's more important than what it is right now. Look how the cases exploded in China once it was out in the community. Look at the incubation period and the time until people need to be hospitalised. Unfortunately it's too early to have any reason to think cases won't spread fast here too.

We really do need to be a bit scared because if people aren't a bit scared then they will be careless about the handwashing, staying at home when ill, coughing into tissues and so on. Those habits of hygiene and social distancing need to become the new normal fast, as they could be the main thing that stands between us and a massive public health disaster that will kill many of us.

Minimising the risk of what's coming down the track fast because it isn't here yet won't help anyone. There are things we can do but we need not to be naive about the situation we're in.

Frequency · 08/02/2020 13:42

I'm not worried. DD had one of the 'killer flu' bugs when she was small. I can't remember if it was swine flu or bird flu. She was prescribed Tamiflu over the phone. We weren't allowed to take her to the GP and none of us were allowed to go to the pharmacy. A third party had to collect her medication.

We were told not to let her leave the house at all. Her sister was not allowed to go to school and the adults of the house were encouraged to stay inside if possible. I remember thinking at the time it was all very dramatic and OTT. We all lived though, despite the fact that half the country was running around in hysteria because of the killer flu. After day two of her tamiflu DD was back to bouncing off the walls and desperate to go get outside (we didn't let her, we listened to the warnings given to us).

If you're elderly, immunocompromised or suffer from respiratory disease, you are at risk but you're also at risk from flu and the common cold. Normal, healthy young people don't need to worry.

eeeyoresmiles · 08/02/2020 13:59

I'm quite likely to be one of the people who doesn't survive this, and part of my thinking about this involves making my peace with this risk (while of course really hoping it doesn't happen).

It's been more and more obvious over the last two weeks that there's a good chance this could be this generation's Spanish Flu but with even worse mortality, and so I'm trying to be pragmatic about it - acceptance rather than denial, perhaps. Healthy young people being able to relax is nice, but not that helpful for those of us who are going to be relying on everyone taking hygiene precautions because they take the risk seriously.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 08/02/2020 14:08

Does anyone know if it is possible to buy private health insurance that will cover emergency care and intensive care? There are private intensive care units in some London hospitals but I can't see any insurance that would cover emergency treatment.

As far as I see it if it takes hold in the UK I think the NHS will struggle and so anyone needing urgent care, even if for a car accident etc will potentially struggle.

HIVpos · 08/02/2020 14:11

@YoursTunbridgeWells I don’t think anyone is taking a short sighted approach, rather we are encouraged to take one that is balanced and based on reliable information rather than coming up with a worst case scenario.

Whilst it does seem true that there will be a severe economic impact from this (discussed upthread) some of the stuff you’ve posted is likely to cause panic, particularly for those with weak immune systems, and also for anyone who suffers from health anxiety. If you do have health anxiety I am sorry - you might want to seek help from your GP for this, or if already seeking help, from who ever your HCP is. This might be more beneficial to you than reading or posting on these threads.

Using the watchful waiting approach is by far the better way to go, taking note of any suggestions made to help ourselves - washing hands, using tissues etc reading reliable data and forecasts rather than making uneducated guesses.

@RoseAndRose, 😂sounds like contaminated mountain of joy! I’d never heard of that ski resort despite having worked several ski seasons in Europe. Just googled, it looks so pretty www.lescontamines.com/winter

Also..NCP - wonder if there will be any resistance to the virus being called this by the car park company of the same name 🤔

ScreamingLadySutch · 08/02/2020 14:15

Yes I am worried.

  1. The Chinese have not been completely transparent. In speed of reporting, in punishing whistle blowers, in death rates
  1. It is going to have a huge dent on the global economy in the short term. The worlds workshop has shut down.
RhodaCamel · 08/02/2020 14:23

Haven’t read the whole thread and not sure if it’s been mentioned before but I would recommend watching Dr John Campbell on his YouTube channel, he is a teaching A&E nurse here in the U.K. and specialises and has a keen interest in virus’s. His posts are very good, they explain the disease well, taken from up to date medical papers and he doesn’t sensationalise or scare monger like the media are doing and he explains things in layman’s terms.

DontCallMeDarling · 08/02/2020 14:36

I asked this before but should our PM or Health Minister say something now to calm everyone's concerns and provide facts and advice on the situation rather than allow media to 'spin' everything to sell papers etc. Or do you think it would make everything worse?

YoursTunbridgeWells · 08/02/2020 14:38

@Hivpos I think it’s clear I have health anxiety and have immune issues. Naturally I have sought help - the reality is nobody can help - I have been advised to accept mortality and face it head on.
Like another poster I’m having to make peace with the risk that this may well finish me and dh off as we are much higher risk than most. That piece I’m coming to terms with. It’s the thought of leaving my children alone which undoes the acceptance. However there is time to consider who might be able to help.
There are some reviews of non China cases that suggest for the majority the infection is moderate. Just wish I was in better health.

Delatron · 08/02/2020 14:50

I think it would be reassuring to have updates on the conditions of the York patients. There is just radio silence. I guess for a reason.

LoadsaBlusher · 08/02/2020 14:53

delatron I was just saying this exact thing to my partner.
Also no news on whether any of the Arrowe Park quarantined have caught the virus ?

gingerbreadslice · 08/02/2020 14:55

Just reading theBBC website and it says most people who are infected will fully recover I find this reassuring somewhat.

NaturalBornWoman · 08/02/2020 15:00

I think the silence is disconcerting. I had a look for the situation in Australia earlier and they have a daily bulletin which states the condition of the diagnosed, far more information. It's ludicrous to say it's for maintenance of privacy, we don't know who they are.

LoadsaBlusher · 08/02/2020 15:09

Yes , I think what would greatly reassure me would be that the UK patients all had mild form and full recovery.

Is that too optimistic?

Letsbegin · 08/02/2020 15:13

My colleague is going to Japan on a jolly next week for 4 days and hasn't as far as I'm aware decided to cancel this! I'm shitting myself as we work closely and in healthcare. All of our patients are vulnerable and medically compromised! I think they are incredibly selfish going still but am I being ridiculous as they havent stopped flights there. So therefore does this mean it's not that bad in Japan? So confused as to whether to raise this with our boss!

gingerbreadslice · 08/02/2020 15:18

@LoadsaBlusher I'm hoping the same. I'm really actually hoping that this just passes over and isn't as bad as what it is elsewhere. It seems really scary and end of the world ish atm but I'm praying UK will be fine and in time other country's too. I hope a cure is found ASAP like they did for swine flu and Ebola. Hopefully will all be fine.