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AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?

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IvyBush123 · 04/02/2020 06:41

I am not sure if there is reason to worry about the new Coronavirus. I am not a medical expert but to be honest feel a bit scared because we know so little and some experts seem worried. How do you think?

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woodchuck99 · 07/02/2020 11:59

People don’t like to think these things happen but they need to research it deeper than what the media are portraying. We should all know by now that media is propaganda and censored. Even in UK.

It's not research to believe everything you read on the Internet even though you know nothing about who has posted it.

FourTeaFallOut · 07/02/2020 12:00

www.bbc.com/news/business-51410700

Foxxconn are petitioning to reopen their factory and that they could make 2 million masks per day by the end of the month.

Helpfully, they also make parts for unnecessary expensive gadgets, so shareholders will be unexpectedly relieved.

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 12:00

Conspiracy theories aren't really helpful. Why would the USA retaliate for something done to Canada? As much as the two countries are allies, they are different countries and the idea that the two would collude like this makes no sense.

We could dream one up a conspiracy theory right here now saying that Chinese spies stole a virus and then developed it to use against their own people for population control or to build natural immunity with a view to later releasing an even worse disease against the rest of the world too.

It'd be just as much bullshit.

We know that governments don't tell the full truth to their citizens. We also know that the fantasy of this can be dreamt up too easily too.

The search for the truth is something I am very much passionate about, but it has to be based on something, be credible and stand up to critical thought, rather than just be made up nonsense.

The truth always leaves an evidence trail.

covetingthepreciousthings · 07/02/2020 12:20

Have you all seen the video of Chinese government rounding up an infected couple and putting them in a metal box?

I watched that in horror last night, I can't think of any plausible explanations for that tbh. Sad

Cocobean30 · 07/02/2020 12:25

Yes I agree conspiracy theories aren’t helpful on face value, but they are used to discount any thinking that isn’t in line with media narrative. There is often some truth mixed in with disinformation.

www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhV3ed99Pui412V87P

All I’m saying is don’t take the news as truth. It always has an agenda. Look back at history and the amount of events that have been proven to be engineered by the gov/‘powers that be’ and the atrocities that have always been committed against humankind. Just because we are living in an age of media and technology does not mean we are being treated any differently. We can begin to predict how events are going to play out as they follow a script. (Such as 9/11, if you still believe that USA didn’t engineer that event then you must live in a very happy bubble)
There’s no point saying any more as people need to wake up before they begin to see it.

cologne4711 · 07/02/2020 12:36

I do believe it is a bio weapon

It really isn't. The idea that it's an animal virus which crossed to humans due to unsavoury eating and hygiene practices in an animal market is entirely plausible.

We've had SARS, swine flu, bird flu.

cologne4711 · 07/02/2020 12:36

Such as 9/11, if you still believe that USA didn’t engineer that event then you must live in a very happy bubble Seriously?

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 12:54

All I’m saying is don’t take the news as truth. It always has an agenda. Look back at history and the amount of events that have been proven to be engineered by the gov/‘powers that be’ and the atrocities that have always been committed against humankind. Just because we are living in an age of media and technology does not mean we are being treated any differently. We can begin to predict how events are going to play out as they follow a script. (Such as 9/11, if you still believe that USA didn’t engineer that event then you must live in a very happy bubble). There’s no point saying any more as people need to wake up before they begin to see it.

Oh dear. I'm really not sure I'm the person you should be pitching this remarkable revelation at.

Strangely enough I studied this shit at degree level. I could bore you to tears about propaganda and misinformation if you like.

Scrutising stuff in the news or other sorts of publications (including very boring and long legal, medical and political documents) and questioning its quality and credibility, remains something of a personal hobby. I have been known to do it on MN occassionally. Like as in a tedious a broken record type of 'occasionally'.

I'm not really into indulging conspiracy theorists, ta muchly.

DontCallMeDarling · 07/02/2020 12:57

I think all Governments have the ability to do terrible things that are kept from us but surely no Government would be stupid enough to release a bio weapon. I don't doubt the US are highly peeved at China becoming economically powerful, their response "this virus is an opportunity" shows that. But a bio weapon would be sheer stupidity surely?

woodchuck99 · 07/02/2020 13:02

I watched that in horror last night, I can't think of any plausible explanations for that tbh.

The explanation would be that they are trying to stop it from spreading. If they are running out of equipment for safe transportation it doesn't really surprise me that they would do that sort of thing.

Frothybothie · 07/02/2020 13:05

Surprised we have not hard from extinction rebellion, Greta thunberg and David attenburgh. Humans are "a plague", a "cancer on the earth". Surely they have an opinion on this virus?

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 13:11

Why attribute a naturally reoccurring phenomon sure as a new virual mutation to nature when a conspiracy theory about biological warfare will do?

Why ignore long standing warnings from experts and scientists in this field that a new pandemic, which could be potentially devastating in its death rate and is overdue in terms of how frequently they occur, when you have a perfectly good conspiracy theory to believe in instead?

Why is the simple, logical explanation which has years of historical context and scientific evidence for so difficult to understand? Let me get this straight. We should just ignore this evidence cos its the 'wrong type' of historical evidence?

Dunno, beats me.

Evidence about malicious governments is more important and plentiful than evidence about ignorant and illadvised governance. Obviously.

Clearly the black death was genetically engineered by the government of the time.

Or we can't get diseases like it appearing spontaneously in this century because we've progressed so far and we are too civilised. We understand hygiene, infection control and naturally occuring genetic mutation so much to the point that we can stop it before it even happens!

Not quite following which line I'm supposed to follow here.

Yeah crack on. Its biological warfare. I'm hearing you.

DontCallMeDarling · 07/02/2020 13:18

Not really getting extinction rebellion point, they are about climate change. They may have used 'cancer' in their placards but I doubt have any expertise on the virus so why would they issue a statement?

BatSegundo · 07/02/2020 13:20

Indeed don'tcallmedarling, wholly agree.

Even if I were prepared to accept that the US government would go as far as releasing a bioweapon during peacetime (which I'm not), then I would need to accept that the novel corona virus is a good choice for crippling a rival country with. It's really not. It has a long incubation, asymptomatic contagion and only causes mild illness in many. This means it will spread undetected and so is almost certainly going to cause a pandemic which will screw with all countries to some extent. An excellent choice if you're an alien race wishing to mess with humanity, but not for picking on one country only.

Findumdum1 · 07/02/2020 13:41

I hear you all but it is a little suspicious isn't it about the 2 Chinese virologists who were ejected from the Canadian lab that researched ebola and sars viruses (a coronavirus) last year? Plenty of sites saying it was unrelated and they didn't send samples back to Wuhan where there's a similar level 4 lab. But nobody actually saying why they were ejected from the country or what they did do. Quite a coincidence.

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 13:54

Re the couple in a box. Whilst I think it an abhorent violation of human right and disturbing, this IS China we are talking about. A country which there are credible reports of 'reeducation camps' and widespread abuses of minorities including organ harvesting and mass executions.

Its shocking to our eyes, but its also not surprising.

On the flip to this, China is perfectly happy shooting its own citizens in front of foreign journalists. Its done that before, so the fact the couple were not simply shot on sight and then cleaned up at least remains. Its something to cling to.

People rounded up into quarantine centres (with bars on the window) might well be going to their deaths if they are uninfected. But the state is at least providing facilities where there is a chance of survival. And where there are blocks of flats welded up, there are at least windows for supplies... Grim and distressing to observe as it is.

I admit its not a lot to cling to, but then I don't know what would happen if a widespread deadly pandemic did strike the UK. The government has the power to lock down our cities or to round up infected people (even if that meant effectively condemning them to death) even under our democratic laws. Our human right laws include national emergency exceptions provided they are 'proportionate'. Faced with a disaster where the deaths of a small number ensured the survival of the many, this COULD still happen. I can easily imagine vigilante groups and large numbers of violent crimes breaking out in the uk in the event of a pandemic. Faced with mass panic and civil unrest harsh and seemingly inhumane decisions might be the ONLY way that our government could cope with such a crisis and protect even larger numbers of vulnerable people.

I don't advocate this, nor am I remotely comfortable with this. I am simply mindful of the brutal reality of natural disasters (as opposed to deliberate man made and politicially created 'crisis') and the limited options open to civil planners in extreme circumstances. We simply don't understand the reality of anarchy when it arrives on our doorsteps until it actually arrives.

We have been sheltered from these kind of situations in the UK for so long that we do take this for granted far more than we should.

We are only a couple of weeks away from complete societal collapse when it comes down to it. Our safety and security really is that fragile.

Its frightening to really think about this, and tbh I think one of the reasons coronavirus is scaring people so much is because it causes some people to stare their own mortality in the face or to think about what would happen in the face of the breakdown of our society functioning.

How will you cope? How will you survive?

These are questions that the majority of us don't face on a daily basis in this country. Yet there isn't much more human than thinking about where we and our family get adequate basic food and water, how we ensure we stay fit and healthy in the absence of health care and how we make sure we have safe and secure shelter. Whilst also looking over our shoulder to see if someone we thought was our friend and/or neighbour isn't about to mug us for what little we do have.

It IS anxiety producing. We are not wrong to feel afraid. Anxiety is an emotion left over from our survival instincts. Anxiety is the emotion that helps to keep humans alive and identify threats to us. Anxiety drives medical advances and scientific advancement. It drives human exploration. Anxiety is healthy as long as its controlled and kept in context by good assessment of how much of a risk something actually is to us.

Utterly grim.

HasaDigaEebowai · 07/02/2020 13:56

Just heard the public service announcements on the radio. Be aware, only cough into tissues and dispose of them immediately then wash hands or use hand gel. Hand washing frequently.

Clearly worried but trying not to panic the population

woodchuck99 · 07/02/2020 14:07

I hear you all but it is a little suspicious isn't it about the 2 Chinese virologists who were ejected from the Canadian lab that researched ebola and sars viruses (a coronavirus) last year?

factcheck.afp.com/chinese-spies-did-not-steal-deadly-coronavirus-canada

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 14:34

I hear you all but it is a little suspicious isn't it about the 2 Chinese virologists who were ejected from the Canadian lab that researched ebola and sars viruses (a coronavirus) last year? Plenty of sites saying it was unrelated and they didn't send samples back to Wuhan where there's a similar level 4 lab. But nobody actually saying why they were ejected from the country or what they did do. Quite a coincidence.

You can't think of any other explanation? Like how industrial espionage is exceptionally profitable and how China has very little respect for things like patents and intellectual propety? Or something else?

Thats a lack of imagination and critical thought right there.

One of the things with this virus is how it seems to act on the ACE-2 receptor which apparently means it may have a greater effect on Asian Males if they have a higher concerntration than White Males, which seems to be being suggested in research (which is limited in non white populations - showing up a gap in western thinking and inherent unconscious institutionalised racism in international medicine). So why would China actively develop something that appears on the face of it, to harm its own population, more than a foreign one? The answer to this question is crucial.

AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?
AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?
RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 14:38

observers.france24.com/en/20200207-china-coronavirus-doctor-collapse-surgery?ref=tw_i
Did a doctor in China really collapse during surgery because he had contracted coronavirus?

Here's another story debunking another story circulating on social media.

Findumdum1 · 07/02/2020 14:40

Yes I've seen all the fact check sites saying they didn't do anything related, but nothing about what they were actually sacked. I'm not interested in who is the baddie or whatever, all big superpowers have spys and espionage and I am sure the US are amongst the least ethical. China too. I am saying it is a big coincidence that two leading virologists who work on these types of viruses were involved in some sort of drama last year.

PhilomenaChristmasPie · 07/02/2020 14:42

I'm not remotely worried. What upsets me is an 8yo being picked on by a 10yo at school because he's half Chinese, so he must have it. Hmm This is a friend of DS2's.

Findumdum1 · 07/02/2020 14:44

And thank you for your patronising response RedToothBrush, I too am a scientist and quite comfortable with critical thinking.

Findumdum1 · 07/02/2020 14:45

That's terrible Philomena. Just racist.

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2020 14:49

That thread I just mentioned:

Eugene Gu, MD @eugenegu
We need to invest more in medical research that can fight not only the coronavirus but also the flu, multi-drug resistant TB, and other diseases that can become epidemics or even dreaded pandemics like the 1918 Spanish flu. Fearmongering never helps more than level-headed action.

We’ve known about the coronavirus using the angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors in our host cells to invade and infect us since 2003 when it was discovered in SARS. Yet 17 years later we have no vaccine and no antiviral like ACE2 as a type of Tamiflu for coronavirus.

That’s because of years of funding cuts to the CDC and NIH, which fund a great deal of medical research through grants to labs and private investigators at academic hospitals and universities. Both parties made cuts, but Republicans have truly waged the nastiest war on science.

I’ve seen this firsthand. After all, Marsha Blackburn sent 2 armed US Marshals to subpoena me to Congress to stop my research that could’ve been helpful for studying the Zika virus, a WHO declared emergency at the time, as well as the coronavirus today.

We’ve had plenty of time to make a vaccine against the coronavirus or have tested whether ACE2 is an effective competitive inhibitor for the coronavirus in the same way Tamiflu inhibits neuraminidase for the flu. Instead we have remdesivir that doesn’t target known mechanisms.

Remdesivir was designed for Ebola and is a nucleotide analog that inhibits DNA replication not only in non-specific viruses but also in our own mitochondria which can cause issues. It’s not targeted specifically for the coronavirus and is like a shitty bandaid. We deserve better.

Its hugely expensive to research new drugs, and big pharma tend to only do it if it will produce big returns in terms of sales.