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AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?

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IvyBush123 · 04/02/2020 06:41

I am not sure if there is reason to worry about the new Coronavirus. I am not a medical expert but to be honest feel a bit scared because we know so little and some experts seem worried. How do you think?

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RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 18:47

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/05/chinas-coronavirus-not-remotely-control-world-economy-mounting2/
China’s coronavirus is not remotely under control

As of this week two-thirds of the Chinese economy remains shut. More than 80pc of its manufacturing industry is closed, rising to 90pc for exporters.

The Chinese economy is 17pc of the world economy and deeply integrated into international supply chains. It was just 4.5pc of world GDP during the SARS epidemic 2003, which some like to use as a reassuring template. You cannot shut down China for long these days without shutting down the world.

And

Personally, I think the glacial SARS episode tells us little about the fast-spreading Wuhan virus. The 2019-nCoV variant is more akin to the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918. It appears to be tracking the 1918 death rate at about 2.3pc (20 times normal winter flu) to the extent that we can believe any figures. There is some evidence that it is nearer 4.9pc in Wuhan

And

Far more have died than the official tally of 493. A Lancet study last week by the University of Hong Kong estimated that the Chinese authorities have understated the epidemic tenfold. This was based on a spread rate of 2.68 per case and a doubling in total numbers every 6.4 days, matched with known travel movements within China and globally since the outbreak.

It calculated even then that the true figure for Wuhan was likely to be 76,000, and that Chongqing, Changsha, Nanchang, are already riddled with the disease. “Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable,” it said.

Views differ but it is striking how many global experts – when not under political pressure – say it may already be too late to stop the spread. “It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” says Anthony Fauci, head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

It is the same warning from an “increasingly alarmed” Peter Piot, head of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The danger is that it will become endemic and circulate everywhere like flu, a manageable headwind for rich countries with good health care but a Sword of Damocles having over Africa or South Asia

Article free to view until 8pm tonight.

It basically says we are headed for potential shortages of products, a financial crash AND a pandemic the likes of which we've not seen since 1918 and possibly before.

It is not cheerful.

In terms of prepping, there is very little most of us can do in the face of that. If even one of those things comes to pass then we face profound changes in the next few years.

Joy.

SebandAlice · 06/02/2020 18:51

Apparently the Doctor is hooked up to life support having already been clinically dead for 3 hours. Not sure how true that is but I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government.

If it is true I am very worried. I was watching the news earlier and most of it was dedicated to Trump. Very little on the Coronavirus. We won’t know for at least two weeks the real figures bearing in mind the Doctor was sick since early January. Europe might still have a chance to stop it really spreading here but the radio silence from the governments is baffling to me.

FourTeaFallOut · 06/02/2020 18:58

No. No redtoothbrush. You have to make soothing noises about ace-2 receptors and how we wouldn't see the spread or severity of this illness in Europe. I was clinging to that shit.

NemophilistRebel · 06/02/2020 19:02

Visited Brighton over weekend - went everywhere, pier, bars, restaurants, cafes, shops etc

I’m pregnant and now worrying at the news of confirmed Brighton case

Am I over worrying myself?

HRH2020 · 06/02/2020 19:10

That's a really interesting article Red thanks

flippyflapper · 06/02/2020 19:10

I wasn't overly worried until it hit brighton (where i live) more worried for my kids to be honest

DobbyTheHouseElk · 06/02/2020 19:14

I’m quite anxious about this tbh. It’s really in my mind constantly.

Notstrongandstable · 06/02/2020 19:28

Flippyflapper..me too! It's really quite a small place so would be helpful if PHE could give more details re dates etc

DontTouchTheMoustache · 06/02/2020 19:34

Personally I'm terrified. I nearly died a few years back after developing pneumonia when i had the flu. I have severe asthma and since the pneumonia i am prone to chest infections (i have one right now actually). I live near leeds which is obviously very close to York...i am convinced if i catch it i will die as i was very lucky to survive last time.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 19:34

You have to make soothing noises about ace-2 receptors and how we wouldn't see the spread or severity of this illness in Europe. I was clinging to that shit

I'm trying to keep measured and keep things in context as much as possible.

Smoothing noises?

The Telegraph likes a good dose of scaremongering as it helps sell newspapers...?

Thinks hard...

Here have some more straws to clutch at.

Women are less likely to die than men, and after the 1918 spanish flu pandemic this was good for women's rights?

It will help the housing crisis and problems with the burden of an aging population and cost to NHS and social care?

It will reduce illegal immigration from Asia and Africa to the uk?

Brexit might not be the worst thing in 2020 and no deal planning might have some practical application?

It might be good for global warming that China is closed?

Your latest iPhone won't go out of fashion so quick?

'Made in Britain' rather than 'made in china' might be a thing for a while?

Face masks are screwing with China’s state facial recognition systems?

One of the UK’s biggest exports is pharmaceuticals? And we are one of the biggest pharmaceutical producers in the world?

More seriously viruses tend not to like summer and don't thrive as much. Hence their seasonality. That definitely could slow its progression down in warmer climates and in the UK. Its better its at this stage in February rather than October. It does mean we could get caught off guard by a second wave in the autumn though. But more time. Time is a good thing.

Also I've seen some stuff from scientists speculating that the virus's is fairly stable and it's nature means it's less prone to mutations than other cold viruses, so it's less likely to become more deadly than it already is.

Seriously though, the scale of this does mean you should just get on with life. You are still statistically more likely to get hit by a bus tomorrow or be struck by lightning than die from coronavirus.

FourTeaFallOut · 06/02/2020 19:46

I can work with gallows humours, it'll do. It'll have to as half my family are in the Southern hemisphere. Grin

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 20:06

It'll have to as half my family are in the Southern hemisphere.

Yeah Australia and New Zealand might well be fucked before us.

😳

I'm definitely with the gallows humour. There's not a lot else redeeming about the subject apart from watching the international science race to crack this.

But it'll all be over by 2022 and we can watch the delayed Tokyo Olympics with pride.

lollybee1 · 06/02/2020 20:08

Imagine it hits India though. That has a lot more travel to and from by British nationals and the quarantine wouldnt be as efficient as China.

lalafafa · 06/02/2020 20:13

the measures in place, closing boarders in neighbouring countries is unprecedented, airlines stopping certain routes, schools closing in HK not sure if its lessons learned through the SARS virus or its bigger than we know.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 20:15

That has a lot more travel to and from by British nationals and the quarantine wouldnt be as efficient as China

Prediction: The aviation industry is going to have a really bad year and we are going to be glad we live on an island. Turnips have never tasted so good.

HIVpos · 06/02/2020 20:18

Thanks for the Telegraph link @RedToothBrush - some interesting stuff in there and even if over egged it is relevant. I don't think a lot of us have realised the knock on implications of the shutting down of the Chinese economy.

Whilst I do believe in context and reliable info I do the dark humour side of things too and trying to see the positives of any situation. I'll be thoroughly hacked off if I don't survive coronavirus as it'll scupper plans to live longer than all of you Grin

Curiouschlo · 06/02/2020 20:18

We had an email with advise from my daughter's school

So someone in China ate something carrying disease and now the rest of us are at risk.

I hope it's a small risk. There has been things before that are in the media and eventually are no more. Hopefully this is another case! It's horrible reading about it. It's in your face at the moment.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 20:44

I don't think a lot of us have realised the knock on implications of the shutting down of the Chinese economy.

I agree. I think in being caught up in the human horror and fear of not really knowing what's happening and what the threat is to our health, we are missing something else that is perhaps going to have a massive impact here.

We are liable to see that impact before any potential pandemic in the UK. The uk doesn't have to be locked down for shops to be closed.

Things generally take 6 - 8 weeks to ship from China. Wuhan shut down before everywhere else in China. So we will probably only start to notice in 5 - 7 weeks.

That could mean job layoffs, companies going bump in large numbers and a lack of availability of some products.

I think the most affected sectors are telephones and technology as well as things like furniture.

Apple are shitting themselves about it because so much of their production is based in China. They already were worried about being too dependent on China for its business model and this it really going to illustrate the problem to them.

Investing in airpods now might make you a small fortune on ebay in the near future.*

Aside from Apple, we should be concerned that we may well not have enough plastic tat in the country for Christmas this year. I'm glad I bought two packs of 12 crackers in Sainburys for 25p in the sales now.

*this is a joke not advice.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 21:00

Here's a story about export from the rest of the world to China too.

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2002JY?__twitter_impression=true
Coronavirus disrupts China meat imports, food supply during pork shortage

China has increased meat imports from the United States, Europe and Brazil as African swine fever has killed up to half its pigs since August 2018

And

Meat is shipped to China in refrigerated containers that must be plugged into electrical outlets once they are offloaded to keep products cold.

Importing companies normally receive containers as they arrive, freeing up space for others. But several Chinese ports are at capacity on space for refrigerated containers and outlets because few receivers are picking them up, said Peter Friedmann, executive director of the Agriculture Transportation Coalition. Shanghai and Xingang have reported 100% utilization of available plugs, he said.

Meat shippers are also scrambling, selling to other countries or shipping to other Chinese ports, Friedmann said.

"Things are really getting bad over there," USA Poultry & Egg Export Council President Jim Sumner said.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 21:05

And new government advice tonight to make you all feel fluffy

The Government has issued fresh advice on coronavirus to travellers who may have returned from countries including Singapore and Thailand.

The list of countries and territories that people may be arriving back into the UK from has been updated to also include Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia, South Korea and Macau, as well as mainland China.

Travellers are being advised to self-isolate if they begin to feel unwell.

Anyone arriving from these locations should stay indoors and avoid contact with other people if they develop symptoms such as a cough, fever or shortness of breath

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2020 22:10

Guardian front page reporting UK Corona #3 is a middle aged man, a British national who had just travelled back from Singapore.

Mango101 · 06/02/2020 22:39

Yup scared.
No reason why it's not going to spread the world.
Seems contagious and unstoppable.
Death rate unknown precisely could be 0.2-10%...

DirtyBlonde · 06/02/2020 22:43

Could someone who understands medical statistics explain why they don't seem to be reporting numbers discharged from hospital/recovered ?

Unless of course it makes you ill enough for hospital for several weeks (still symptomatic, still infectious)

Cyw2018 · 06/02/2020 22:47

Could someone who understands medical statistics explain why they don't seem to be reporting numbers discharged from hospital/recovered ?

They are, is just depressingly low...

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Mango101 · 06/02/2020 22:48

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#repro

about 1600 recovered
600 died

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