To wonder why so many people are hostile to 'woke' things?

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Isn't the definition...aware of and against injustice in society especially racism?
Why are so many turning against progressive attitudes atm and aibu to think people almost revel in political incorrectness nowadays?
Megan and Harry are criticised for being too 'woke' as she does yoga and they like animals etc.
Likewise millenuals are sneered at for being woke and snowflakey.
Well i am proud to be woke...better than the opposite.

Had this been shared yet?

twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1010189882503950336?s=21

Some people feel insecure about themselves in general and they feel threatened by anything other than the way they are used to doing things. I think this basic insecurity is why there is so much blatant meanness in society. It's based on weakness, not strength. To move forward, we have to admit something is wrong, and some [very insecure] people aren't capable of doing that.

Let’s not forget the profit motive.

Which is huge, look at Nike & the Colin Kaepernick ad as mentioned in the article I linked. The same Nike that had issues with pay over Allyson Felix's pregnancy or doesn't have a commitment to paying a living wage across its supply chain.

@Mazyka that link 😁

I am against all totalitarianism. Woke culture has a strong element of that which make me feel it's a bad thing, even if sometimes motivated by good intentions.

Sure genuine work for justice/fairness/equality will get called woke by some fools, but I think most people can tell the difference between empty bloviating and real attempts to improve the world.

I think some ‘woke’ behaviours are obviously a good thing but when people become preachy about their ‘woke’ views can cause conflict, if you don’t agree with their point of view then you are scum of the earth basically.

I think Harry received harsh criticism because he said people shouldn’t have more than two children as it was bad for the environment and then jumped on a private jet shortly after.

I would hate to go back to the old days. Things have been getting better

This is interesting because I think things were improving and then went downhill suddenly and speedily

I have to agree, we were definitely making good progress (we were certainly not there) and it seemed to be happening in an organic and natural way.

Now it seem worst then 25-30 years ago! Homophobia, Racism, sexism.

sentences can be said now which don't even raise an eyebrow. Yet once society would have frown upon the phrase.

At the same time everything seems so extreme. There is no middle ground to hardly anything anymore, passion and anger runs so high. You are one or another, everything is considered black and white.

“Woke” is a historically black phrase which has more recently been appropriated for mainstream usage. It's a colloquial term that loosely translates to the state of “being awake.” It means having the awareness or “being awake” to the social, political, cultural and structural realities surrounding one’s life. It is essentially an ideological stance that asks people to recognise and examine how structural factors inform and punctuate their personal lives.

If we are supposed to examine all this as per the extract above we would end up in gibbering heaps, and not have time to live. What happens if we are satisfied with the 'structural factors' that underpin our existences? What happens if we aren't but can't change them? What is the ultimate aim of being woke?

Mazyka thank you, that was brilliant!

I have RTFT and googled woke’ yet I still don’t understand what it means.
It sounds like it means that champagne socialists are always right?!
Does it really matter if you’re Woke?’
Should I be ‘woke?’
Why shouldn’t I be ‘woke?’
I’ve yet to hear a definitive meaning of this word.
It’s everywhere but seems to have many meanings, and yet none.

It's a word I hear a lot on anti-Brexit and Tory sites.
Personally I see it as a compliment!
Better woke than conservative.

Better woke than conservative
You do realise it’s not either/or, though, right?

It’s not either / or, no... but that statement is still true 🤷‍♀️

If we are supposed to examine all this as per the extract above we would end up in gibbering heaps, and not have time to live.

What you mean by this is “these things don’t negatively affect me so I’m not going to worry about them”. In which case you’re fortunate you don’t have to worry about them.

As I said upthread, the important awareness of structural discrimination and prejudice underlying the term “woke” is important for everyone.

The problem is the application of this awareness (and indeed hypersensitivity) to situations which really don’t warrant it.

Is the OP a drop and run

‘What you mean by this is “these things don’t negatively affect me so I’m not going to worry about them”. In which case you’re fortunate you don’t have to worry about them.’

I don’t worry about most of the things that do negatively affect me. It would be incredibly bad for my mental health to attempt to worry about every negative thing I experience.

Is the OP a drop and run

Of course. They always are.

How on earth does Harry “like animals”?

loves shooting them more like.

'Woke' = brainless wonder that agrees with any old shit as long as it's trendy and makes them feel superior to the rest of us who don't just accept that any old thing goes and think some of it is actually total bollocks, if actively harmful.

Not everything with a shiny new label is progressive. Some of it is dangerous old shit from years ago with a cool new face.

I think it might be because people don't like to continually be told they're racist (we are, even if we don't know we are), that they're transphobic (if a biological fact is mentioned), that they're responsible for the world ending (by those who's carbon footprint is the equivalent of a small town full of people).

Oh and being automatically all of the above because of a trait that they can't help eg being white, old, a man, English etc (boomer / gammon).

Just starts to grate a bit after a while.

Because it's the latest fad expression and is a load of bollocks?
You can do the right thing without being 'woke'

'woke' is used as a one size fits all derogatory and dismissive put down to any progressive thinking including concern about man made climate change and even challenging overt racism.

It's sort of equivalent to millennials dismissing any opinion of the over 50's with 'Ok Boomer'

That. Both terms are lazy and insulting put downs that the speaker seems to think absolves him/her from taking the trouble to think about or debate what they've just heard.

I'm delighted with the prominence given to woke news-everything from free speech being denied at University to shock at white people wearing braids.

All of it is one step further down the slippery slope for these staring eyes loons! The worm is eating its own tail at last.

By the way, @doolallylala I hope you realise that your user name could have thousands of them go into meltdown because to say one is going doolally orginated from the Indian military town of Deolali and now this negative word is associated with India.

I assume you will change it quickly.

I think it's a great expression and one that exposes the total lack of authenticity and integrity with which these faddish beliefs are supposedly held. You can take one look at these blue haired students and tell that they don't for a minute genuinely believe transwomen in britain face oppression.

Deathgrip What you mean by this is “these things don’t negatively affect me so I’m not going to worry about them”. In which case you’re fortunate you don’t have to worry about them.

I didn't say that; since when do you get to decide what I mean?

You haven't answered the questions I asked, but for the record, I am female, white and 54. You could argue that I am oppressed by the patriarchy, am disadvantaged because of my sex, and age, and will be overlooked for jobs because of my ethnicity, as I won't be suitable for use for tickbox targets. I cannot change my age or skin colour and I don't want to become male. Those are the 'structural factors' that underpin my existence, and I've lived with 2 of them all my life.

Some of the 'structural factors' can't be changed, so you learn to make the best of them, or work around them or just ignore them.

It seems to me that 'wokeness' demands people wear hair shirts and perform mea culpas becuase of their particular accident of birth. It's the group think element of this that I find concerning. I read Ben Elton's 'Blind Faith' about a decade ago and thought then that is where we are heading. I recommend it as a warning.