To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

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I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

@theunknownknown
I made the Switzerland comment in response to someone expressing a wish for European levels of efficiency and cleanliness. The point I was making was that this country has it without an EU membership.

We simply don't know and I get that is a fear for many

So you've voted for something irreversible and unknown... sounds completely sensible to me.

I know it is middle class people morris dancing.]How many times do I have to say I voted remain but understand the feelings of those who voted leave?
It is not about facts about what leaving means. It is about facts of what is happening in people's lives and the double standards of some f the middle class.

Moriss dancing groups get grants too!

Not everyone who flies the flag are seen as racists, its everywhere when England play and no one thinks that.

Switzerland is smack bang in the middle of Europe.

It would have to make a concerted effort to import filth and inefficiency!

It also invests much more heavily on education than we ever will and most of the country is multilingual.

@jasjas1973 It's not a fear for me though. I said I recognise it is for many.

And Corbyn was an embarrassment.

@malylis Really? I had no idea anyone would give a morris group a grant.

I lived in Switzerland. Geographical location has nothing to do with its cleanliness. Switzerland is very conformist. People follow the rules. It is a very different culture to British culture.

karencantobe
I mistook your comment as one from a leaver. I also want the things you wish for. But I also know that we are never going to achieve them from a tory government. Leaving the EU will be a great success for the elite. Those who want to remove those securities from us.
That so many leave voters gave away those protections to elect a craven tory party beggars belief. For what? Some sort of nostalgic feeling? Bunting is in the past.
I don't think I can ever forgive them. There is no healing to be had.

The press was 80% biased against Corbyn. It didn't matter what Corbyn did, it was the wrong thing. He called for re-nationalising the railways and was mocked. And that is now what the embarrassment of a PM we have in power is doing.
I just can't believe that people don't see it for what it is. Austerity was a tory ideology. Lives have been decimated, more children living in poverty, disabled people dead with no food in their bellies. And yet the poorest of communities voted for more of it. Except, wait, austerity is now over?! Where's the money come from? People chose to believe a liar like Johnson, Farage? They aligned themselves with UKIP and the EDL etc.
The lack of critical thinking is astounding.

Why wouldn't Morris dance groups get grants?

They tend to be small, and get cultural funding to operate. Lots of different groups get grants, the idea that its just ethnic minorities is ridicupous.

A quick search shows Morris dancers getting grants from the national lottery, money raised by Bolton Council, housing associations, spaces being donated etc etc.

I voted remain because I know that is the best way to geta ll those issues resolved.
But I also kind of understand the desire for an English culture that is celebrated and people can feel proud of. I am not English and in my home country the middle class as well as others do celebrate traditional culture and feel proud of it. The middle class here do sneer at English culture and sneer at the idea of one even existing with comments such as the national dish being Chicken Tikka Massala.

I think a lot of Remainers do not understand the impact of culture and the feelings this generates. Particularly when jobs and finances are so insecure and difficult for so many. That is why the - take back control slogan was such a blinder.
Left-wing politicians have to understand that most people do not vote on facts. They do not vote on manifestos. And having a leader who can easily be portrayed as a terrorist sympathiser is stupid beyond belief.

Be specific, which bits of English culutre get sneered at?

It seems to me its perceived rather than real.

@malylis Where I live has a large ethnic minority population, although about 70% is still white.
There is a lot of money spent on various traditional cultural activities for various ethnic minority groups. I am not against that. But I also see groups such as the exercise group a relative went to for people with severe COPD that had no funding at all and was self-funded with an NHS staff member being paid through weekly sub to run the group. This was for people who are too ill to attend normal groups, some people on portable oxygen and I still think it is a disgrace that it had to be self-funded.

I didn't live in Switzerland but I did spend 7 years working there and now I work for a French multinational. I was born in another European country. My paternal family is European.
Yet some posters are commenting like leave voters don't understand Europe, that we don't like change from '50's Britain'. I wasn't alive then.
However, I do understand that no one wants their history and heritage eroding (or perceive it is being).
The EU has become synonymous with a 'merging' of different nations and loss of individual identity.
We are unlikely to be the only country to exit. I will watch with interest to see who is next.

So a health group didn't get funding but others related to other issues do?

You know the funding comes from different places right? Does your area put up Christmas lights ?

@malylis The sneering at traditional English food. The questioning of whether there really is an English culture. The talk about how there is no such thing as English people as it is a nation of mongrels. The promotion of how Europeans do lots of things better. The cultural relativism adopted by some of the left which has been very damaging.

I think there is a clear English culture. I don't think the real roots have been undermined. But this is about how people feel.

No, he is also seen as a decent man who wants a fairer society - the strapline 'for the many not the few' was clearly not as catchy as get brexit done though.

The definition of terrorist is very subjective. Irish people have a legitimate claim to a unified Ireland. He wanted to sit down and talk and compromise. The British are not covered in glory during the troubles. Look at how casually the tory government has treated the GFA in a desire to get brexit done.
That he may have personally wanted to leave the EU would be from a perspective of maintaining workers' rights, to not allow capitalism to feed off cheap labour.

That the tories want to leave is because they want to take away our rights.

Immigration won't cease after we leave. Our immigrants will just be from a different place.
The EU invested heavily in under-privileged regions in this country in ways that a tory government never have or would (until now of course ).

London is another big bogeyman with all the metropolitan elite bullshit ignoring the woes of the north. Yet London has the majority of immigrants in the country. Areas of extreme poverty and wealth side by side.
That people allow themselves to swayed by headlines and soundbites when we have so much information at our fingertips these days is shocking.

What sneering at British food? Its celebrated, om TV, in books.

Of course there is an English culture, its dominant!

What you mean really is that English culture isn't said to be the best at everything all the time.

@malylis Yes I understand how grants work. I know that some things are easier to get grants for than others. And I know that some of that is decided by Government and some is not. But do you understand that most people have no idea about that? And that they see some things getting funded that really are nice to have, and some other things getting no funding? And that some grants are specifically targeted to ethnic minority communities for activities that an all white group could not get funding for?

When people have very few resources they are much more alive to real or perceived unfairness.
And yes I think a group doing exercise for severe sufferers of COPD should not have to be self funded. It should be provided by the NHS.

Talking rubbish now.

There are no grants that are only available to ethnic mimorities.

Like i said this is perceived injustice and wrapping a whole load of reasons into one to get any kind of justification.

All this to simple settle an internal squabble within the tory party.
This country is lost and divided.
The tories couldn't dispel the lure of UKIP and Farage without admitting that it is their policies that have been the root of most people's/communities downfalls.
Most of us are losers. And they are in power for another five years at least. The damage that they can do in that time is scary.

@theunknownknown Your post suggests you have done exactly what you are accusing others of!
You've listened to soundbites about Tory policy and the attributes of Corbyn.
I don't recall anything on the Tories 'wanting to leave because they want to take away our rights'. That's just your perception. Which is what we coming coming back to on this thread...perceptions. Yours isn't shared, hence a decisive Conservative win.

Okay I feel like I am talking to a brick wall.
I assume you did not see memes circulating on social media of Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser? You can talk about the nuance of the Irish struggle until you are hoarse. But a left-wing party will always have the media against them. You don't hand them obvious grenades on a silver platter. For the many not the few has no emotional resonance. It shows no bloody understanding of how a lot of working class people are actually feeling.

I said that I think underneath English culture is strong. But the sneering and the elements I mention I think do have emotional resonance. And I have read many comments on MN sneering at English culture.

The Labour Party will lose the next election. I see no sign of them learning anything about why they lost and how to win. They will write what they think is another great manifesto and continue to blame everyone but themselves for the loss.

And the middle class who are Corbyn supporters will continue to feel bewildered and blame racism. Racism is part of it, but they will ignore the other elements that have led to this.