To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

@BoneyBackJefferson

Plenty of people voted Leave despite having done very well, despite being tory supporters, the majority govt since WW2 so def listened to!!! and live in areas not affected by any sort of migration, eu or commonwealth.

If it was false propaganda, then thats down to govts not combating it and a gullible population but it shouldn't be forgotten that only 600k people needed to have switched their vote and we'd be in the EU,
It was a very close vote, the gloating by Johnson and his Gong was completely out of order if he wants to bring the country together, so i suspect he doesn't care.

@BoneyBackJefferson By the way, there is a certain irony given the thread contents that my addressing your rudeness results in you engaging "victim mode" and complaining about my "true self coming out".

boneyback is talking rubbish and has been caught out so is denying and changing the goal posts.

That notwithstanding, many people did vote in or out on perceived feelings, not hard facts

Ah, my apologies then @mykingdom, I thought you were referring to yourself. And wanted to weep slightly into my cup of tea I do agree that lots did though - to my eternal frustration. But still, they can vote how they like and I can either accept it or be furious. Fury is still winning at the moment. I worry for my blood pressure

boneyback is talking rubbish and has been caught out so is denying and changing the goal posts

Why can't I be as succinct as you?

Hope all the unhappy remain camp find a way forward. I only really posted to say that I wasn't a 'gloating' leaver.

malylis
So those communities that are increasing wouldn't have made a difference to people's attitudes in 2016 then, would they Clav?

I doubt EU migration jumped to 1 in 10 overnight - obviously apparent in 2016 as well.

I know you're a Labour Party supporter malylis - one of those economists who endorsed Labour's Manifesto blames EU austerity for the rise of the far right in Europe;

"Jeremy Smith and John Weeks–EU’s dysfunctional fiscal rules empower the far right, both in Italy and elsewhere."

braveneweurope.com/pef-jeremy-smith-and-john-weeks-eus-dysfunctional-fiscal-rules-empower-the-far-right-both-in-italy-and-elsewhere

Plenty of people voted Leave despite having done very well

Yes, that is true - I looked at some of the research linked by a remainer on a thread last week - 43% of graduates had/or intended to vote leave in their link. Another study said it was the 'squeezed middle' who had been the most dominant leave voters.

I blame austerity for the rise of the far right here too, and yes UKIP and the tories would be considered hard right on Europe.

But then the UK is the only country where the hard right are in power.

The whole ‘it’s been going on for forty years is about as nonsensical as the Rivers of Blood speech of 1968. Immigration to U.K. fell in the 1980s and early 1990s. There was no huge influx forty years ago.
There were specific groups who were always vilified - the Irish in the 50s, those from the Caribbean in the 60s, Vietnamese boat people in late 70s, Ugandan Asians in early 70s. The list goes on. Immigration has allowed us to remain a wealthy nation but still people coming to work or flee terror are seen as a problem by a significant but vocal minority. Immigration isn’t new. The first black people arrived with the Romans. Immigration isn’t the issue but some can’t or won’t see that as the truth.

The whole its been going on for 40 years is a cop out and an attempt to avoid the question.

I too blame austerity for the rise of the far right. Terrifying where it might lead.

SirChing

I'm still here, and all immigrants used to be processed in the Southeast.
before FoM, the government decided that this cost should be spread out more so immigrants where bussed out to other areas of the UK.

When FoM came in Eu immigrants could work and go where they liked. other immigrants are still moved about the country to other areas.

that this is a fact seems beyond you.

I didn't link to an article to prove my point, I linked to an article that pointed to the difficulties faced in Boston.

Difficulties that have been going on since before the EU referendum.

Remember that it was you and others that asked for reasons, so I supplied them, I know find myself in a situation that I am arguing reasons that are not mine.

And your post of 2158, is just self pity, you may want to address that before you accuse others of goading amongst other things.

And it does show your true self coming out.

Have a good one.

jasjas1973

People have done well, but that wasn't the reason for my posts. I can only answer for those that have spoken to me and given their reasons.

@BoneyBackJefferson Whatever 👍

CherryPavlova

I never claimed that I agreed with it, or that it is a good reason.
Just that it is a reason that people I know have given.

I moved away because of the insular attitudes of the area.

What I don’t understand now is how is everything going to be magically sorted in a year when they couldn’t sort it in two? Northern Ireland still attached to Eire but water between mainland UK? Customs and EU workers right to remain etc? There is still so much to sort so we have left but what does it actually mean on a day to day basis.

SirChing

So much for not engaging

43% of graduates had/or intended to vote leave in their link

So? That’s a minuscule minority. (Since 52% is being called an “overwhelming majority” )

'But then the UK is the only country where the hard right are in power.'

Even assuming that you're referring just to countries in Europe, this isn't entirely true. Hungary and Poland have far-right governments.

The article you linked to about Boston agreed with all of the points I made.

It made no mention of immigrants bejng bussed about ( as a previous poster said this only happens with refugees.) So no what you linked to wasn't to do with your claim.

If these are the reasons then they are very poor reasons and nothing to do with the EU.

The whole conflating refugees with other types of immigrant is hilarious, as is your repeated point about "sharing the cost".

I'd forgotten about Poland and Hungary, but neither of these have had austerity on any scale.

So what @mykingdom and @BoneyBackJefferson are saying is, it was anti-immigration and general xenophobia that led to the leave vote.

How disappointing.

It's always been the way populists could get into power.

@bingbangbing It played a part, but I didn't say that was the reason at all. But even if it was the case, that is rather a lot of discontentment with the current arrangement. So voting went against your personal principles...and fortunately for mine.
I for one, do not wish to be part of an organisation which has powers beyond trade. I also don't vote for parties in GEs who I fundamentally disagree with or feel stifled or even consistently annoyed by.
You can be disappointed with this decision making but I for one, have no plans to change my viewpoint.