To ask those in favour of Scottish Independence to join together to renew our hopes for the future

[hadenough]

At 23:00 on the 31st January, Scotland will be dragged out of the EU against our will.

Scotland did not vote for this. Scotland does not want this.

Now we're told by Boris Johnson that our voices will be silenced. Apparently, Scotland must remain in the UK, and the right to express our will to be independent will not be 'allowed'.

On Wednesday we saw the Brexit Party wave union flags, and embarrass the whole of these islands. I don't want to be a part of it.

So now, we will no longer be a part of the EU, and we're told we should shut up and get on with it. I won't.

It will be a truly depressing moment for me to see Scotland dragged out of the EU.

But I hope with this, we can all come together in Scotland and have a renewed focus on campaigning for independence, and ultimately righting a wrong.

There's a blistering column by Wings over Scotland on twitter just now He's a huge indy campaigner but he's furious with the SNP as he thinks they've got comfy at Westminster and don't actually want another independence referendum as either way, they'd be out of a job.

He fully admits that polled support for indy hasn't shifted since 2014. He says nodody wants to engage with campaigners until there's an actual vote to be had, and he's 100% correct.

I don't support his stance on indy but he sees and says it exactly as it is about the current position, the SNP, and brexit etc. Its a really good read.

The column is titled The Betrayer, its easy to find on google. He bravely states that on currency and the border issue, campaigners are worse off now than they were in 2014.

I can't vote from England, but we will be moving to Scotland should it become independent. My only worry is that it might be too soon to get the majority needed, perhaps a longer period of campaigning would be more beneficial, or to have the vote in a year or 2.

Do you mean moving to Scotland should there be another referendum, Scotland became independent, and applied for and gained entry to the EU?

I think Brexit is a change big enough politically and economically to justify another referendum. Imagine the result may change IF there is a realistic prospect of Scotland, post independence deal with the UK government, meeting criteria for EU entry.

But don’t think it seems realistic.

I'm in Scotland. You don't speak for me, I'm sick of the phrase "Scotland voted for this, Scotland thinks that" - speak for yourself.

We did express our preference- we voted no to independence.

We have not been silenced. Our democratic decision has been respected.

No thanks.

@RasberryRoyale you keep saying "the SNP this" and "the SNP that" like they're the only people who want independence. I'd say the vast majority of people who voted yes first time round still want independence, plus some subsequent converts. A YouGov poll from this month showed a lead for yes.

Had we got independence and been out of Europe and outwith the U.k would they allow another referendum had they won? Of course not

How many times. It is called democracy. If people wanted to rejoin the UK in that case, then they would have to vote for a party that supported that view, that party would need enough people to vote for them to get into power, and then that party could enact that legislation.

Scottish and I'll vote no....again

Cannot wait until 9 March

There’s no increased enthusiasm for independence though. You could argue that the fact the snp got less votes at the election shows that. At least I think they did. It’s a shame the unionist vote will always be split.

I read the article by Wings over Scotland. It’s not a surprise to me that the most fanatical supporters are angry at the snp.

Democracy has already happened though. It’s not democratic to ignore 55% of people who said no. We said no and the snp need to accept it.

I'm with you OP

Well some (not all) of the responses on here just renew my sense that Scotland should be independent. Some of the disparaging remarks about Scotland, the rudeness and the outright dismissals speak far stronger than anything else.

We were told we should reject independence to secure our place in Europe. As of 11pm, that promise has been broken and the so-called 'Union' we voted to remain a part of is fundamentally different to the one we believed would be in place.

the truth is the calls for independence are not going to go away, nor will they grow more silent. it is a simple matter of when, not if.

The Scottish nhs and Scottish education system is much better than England’s!

You keep saying "We". It is true that a majority of voters in Scotland voted to remain in the EU. It was a UK wide referendum so the whole of the UK leave, like it or not.

In the 2014 Indyref the majority voted to remain in the UK. It was a Scottish referendum. "We" chose to stay.

@RasberryRoyale Democracy has already happened though. It’s not democratic to ignore 55% of people who said no

Democracy isn't a one-time deal. It's an ongoing process where people are allowed to change their minds and choose what they want as circumstances change.

The 55% that voted no in 2014 were replying to the question, "should Scotland be an independent country?" Well, they're not being ignored are they? Scotland isn't independent.

I really don't see the problem with having another referendum. Circumstances have changed. If 55% vote no again, then fair play. But why not give the people the choice?

Because for me, and many others I feel the promised once in a life time vote should be respected. Brexit is a change but I feel the last thing Scotland needs is further division, further upset and further uncertainty.

I also think that the snp look for any little excuse to have a re run of independence simply because they didn’t get the answer they wanted. Had we got our independence we would have been out of Europe, up shit creek and the Government would not allow us to have another referendum simply because we didn’t like the results.

Those of us who voted no are being ignored, we are constantly told “The people of Scotland want independence”. Not long after the referendum there was talks of another referendum. The snp have never accepted they lost and just got on with it, they have constantly been trying to over turn it. Long before Brexit. I accept as the national party it could be argued thats their sole purpose but I actually think they should spend time running the country, dealing with the mess that is education, the state of the NHS, blaming Westminister and the lack of funding given to local government. But instead theses clowns are spending time debating if they should have a flag up for a union that pretty soon we won’t belong too.

(And I voted to remain in the EU. I’m not happy to be going but we are part of the UK and we have to accept the result)

Well I’m in London OP and to be honest, most people here feel alienated from the rest of England on this issue and we feel as if we’re being dragged out against our will. And no we’re not “raving lefties” - quite the opposite or very middle ground. So I wish you best of luck with another referendum and in achieving the result you want. I think you have every right to independence. I would move to Scotland actually, but it’s too cold and wet, so for this reason, it affects my mental health tbh. London now feels like a metropolitan island in Little England and I can only see the societal divisions increasing. I feel like a foreigner in my own country because the mentality of so many bewilders me.

Picture from the EU Commission building this evening.

So proud.

I voted No in the Indyref because I wanted to stay in the EU. I would vote Yes now. I'm English and quite honestly I'm ashamed of it now.

Had enough - that photo just looks like the EU doing a bit of shitstirring.

@verily The Scottish nhs and Scottish education system is much better than England’s!

They used to be. Unfortunately years of neglect by the SNP government and they are catching up with England - not in a good way.

@Twooter

So shitstirring is acknowleding a country that voted to stay in the EU but was dragged out against its will?

Do find a better argument.

I know a lot who voted no the first time but are yes to independence now because of brexit, I only know 2 who were yes and are now uncertain.

I am by no means sure we’ll win a 2nd referendum and I do think a lot depends on the timing of the vote. We do need to be incredibly careful to avoid the Catalan issue and make sure we use legal channels to get the right to another referendum, I’m sure SNP are being smart about it and taking legal advice.