To ask those in favour of Scottish Independence to join together to renew our hopes for the future

[hadenough]

At 23:00 on the 31st January, Scotland will be dragged out of the EU against our will.

Scotland did not vote for this. Scotland does not want this.

Now we're told by Boris Johnson that our voices will be silenced. Apparently, Scotland must remain in the UK, and the right to express our will to be independent will not be 'allowed'.

On Wednesday we saw the Brexit Party wave union flags, and embarrass the whole of these islands. I don't want to be a part of it.

So now, we will no longer be a part of the EU, and we're told we should shut up and get on with it. I won't.

It will be a truly depressing moment for me to see Scotland dragged out of the EU.

But I hope with this, we can all come together in Scotland and have a renewed focus on campaigning for independence, and ultimately righting a wrong.

All EU members which have joined the bloc since the signing of the Maastricht treaty in 1992 are legally obliged to adopt the euro once they meet the criteria

I'm struggling to think that Sweden doesn't meet the criteria.

Finland joined with Sweden and does use the euro.

As for the other newer member states, I don't know. Does Slovenia use the euro?

Denmark joined when we did, in 1973.

The question should be

´why is the rest of the UK so scared to let us decide to leave'.

^^

We aren't scared.

I'd love a vote for English independence.

The UK and Denmark have still been subject to the EU's Excessive Deficit Procedure - arguably one of the main causes of continued austerity in the UK - Scotland will be told to make cut-backs;

ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-and-fiscal-policy-coordination/eu-economic-governance-monitoring-prevention-correction/stability-and-growth-pact/corrective-arm-excessive-deficit-procedure/excessive-deficit-procedures-overview_en

"These are countries where the euro has still not been adopted, but who will join once they have met the necessary conditions. Mostly, it consists of countries of member states which acceded to the Union in 2004, 2007 and 2013, after the euro was launched in 2002."

•Bulgaria
•Croatia
•Czechia
•Hungary
•Poland
•Romania
•Sweden

"Occasionally, member states can negotiate an opt-out from any of the European Union legislation or treaties, and agree to not participate in certain policy areas.Concerning the single currency, this is the case for the United Kingdom and Denmark.Both these countries kept their currency after becoming members of the EU."

•Denmark
•United Kingdom

europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/euro/which-countries-use-euro_en

I’m not Scottish/don’t understand the whole independence thing beyond getting the vague impression that a lot of Scottish people don’t like the English (although who does?). I do think that brexit has made a material difference to the extent that the recent independence referendum is no longer a true measure of Scottish opinion and if there is public support it is more than reasonable to bring a new referendum on the grounds of changed circumstances.

Scotland will be told to make cut-backs

That really depends on the settlement that will be arranged between Scotland and the rest of the UK. The treasury has already stated that Scotland has no legal liability for any UK debt. I'm sure a portion will be adopted as part of the negotiations on dividing assets and so on, but no one can say what that portion will be.

Regarding the euro, I don't see any pressure from the EU on the countries which don't currently use the euro (excluding the UK and Denmark, who have an opt-out) to set deadlines for meeting the criteria. They have committed to joining "in the future", but the EU seems relaxed about enforcing this.

We live in a democratic society. Facts are Scotland chose to remain part of the UK and the UK decide to leave the EU. As a democracy we have to accept that and not throw our toys out the pram and have a tantrum when something doesn't go our way.

I'm Scottish and sick of hearing about Indyref2 to be honest. Queen Nicola is not doing too good a job at the moment and needs to focus her efforts and cash at getting Education, NHS etc sorted and attracting jobs to Scotland rather than hiding behind Indyref2.

@Fatasfooook why because you don’t agree with me? Congratulations on such a well thought out argument there 🙄

Another strong supporter of staying in the union in spite of being really sad about leaving the EU. The uncertainty that the SNP are constantly provoking is not good for the country. They should concentrate on improving the areas which they are responsible for which are shambolically run. It’s much easier for them to divert attention away from their failings by banging on about yet another referendum and blaming Westminster for everything.

I agree with @TheRealMrsHopper. I’m sick and tired of her whining on about Independence when there are so many things going to shit in the country and the SNP are sticking their fingers in their ears.

They don’t speak for me or my family.

And for everyone who realises the economic lunacy of breaking away from ones closest trading partner. Scottish independence would be like Brexit on steroids. We trade considerably more with the rest of the UK than Europe and the our countries are far more intertwined in every respect. We’d be signing our economic death warrant.

Scottish independence would be like Brexit on steroids

Exactly.

I’m almost tempted to be pro IndyRef 2 reading these comments - if it was still no then she’ll have to go away and shut up. I think she wants to bleat on about the nasty Tories trapping Scotland in the U.K for a bit longer first - she knows she’s safe whilst there’s no immediate referendum.

Scotland said it was a once in a generation vote.

You changed your mind.

So no. Suci it up

@Reginabambina

Please don't think for a second that some people in Scotland want independence because we don't like the English. It's more that some people in Scotland want the right to self determination.

All decent English people and in fact decent people from any country are welcome to Scotland - the weather is rotten but the table will be set and the kettle on, mon up!

Its got nothing to do with disliking the English. Some of the staunchest Indy supporters I know are English born.

@Bloomburger

In all seriousness - if you honestly feel this way and there is an appetite for English independence from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland then why not petition parliament for it - I would whole heartedly support your democratic right to do so because that's what would be fair and right

Politicians are meant to work for us so make your voice heard - start a grass roots movement, but do it for the right reasons and not out of spite or hate for any other Nation.

@maxnormal @nippybutsweet just like being pro brexit isnt due to disliking europeans.

But being Scottish I'm always being told that brexit voters are racist/brexit was caused by racism yet voting for independence isnt about disliking the English. The hypocrisy is laughable.

Btw for the record I'm not saying you're one of those screaming racist at brexit voters.

Nippybutsweet it's funny isn't it. You think I'm coming from a place of hate or spite when I don't automatically think that of the Scots. Utter disillusionment but not hate or spite 😉

I really don't - I am just stating that I have seen people starting grass roots moments for the wrong reasons and wouldn't like to see anyone going down that toxic route - it's not healthy.

@secretllama

I voted to leave the EU, not because I'm anti anyone but because I feel that pensioners in Greece being beaten by police because they wanted to remove their own money from the bank. I believe the EU could have stepped in and prevented this but turned a blind eye instead - I want no part of a union that doesn't stand against this.

Had I been eligible to vote in the Scottish Indyref I would have voted for independence. But that's just because I feel that more big decisions should be taken in the regions. The needs of people in London are not the same as those in, say, Cornwall or the North East.

Same reason I voted to leave the EU really.

To those saying "suck it up", have you not heard of democracy? Why do we have general elections every 5 years? What's so scary about letting Scotland decide on its own future?

Well said 👏👏

Scotland did decide its future. We said no to independence.

Big difference between government elections and a referendum. We know we can change our Government at the next election. The SNP told us the independence referendum was once in a life time. We can’t just keep having referendums because the SNP don’t like the result. Let’s be real, any excuse for them to bleat about another referendum and they will take it. Brexit is a red herring. They don’t speak for the people of Scotland when they can’t respect the 55% that rejected independence and they won’t respect the people that didn’t vote for them and the ones that actually voted to leave the EU.

Had we got independence and been out of Europe and outwith the U.k would they allow another referendum had they won? Of course not.