to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

But when this is brought up it always stinks of not being democratic in that you are others are inferring that not everyone should have the right to vote.

I don't recall many howls of outrage from Leavers when Johnson and Rees-Mogg prorogued Parliament illegally. Maybe I wrong, maybe a Leaver will point to a dozen threads on MN about it.

People are talking as if we are no longer European and no longer have the right to travel, work, live or study in Europe or marry a European. It’s hysterical nonsense. All of that stuff is still possible. It always has been and always will be.

It was more difficult, and could well go back to being more difficult. Depending what the Tories manage to negotiate, it could easily no longer be a right to do such things, but a concession.

'We had a GE last month with a clear message from a leave party.'

Actually, no. Leave parties recieved less votes overall than remain parties.

All the GE told us, once again, is that our electorial system is a fucking joke.

Frederick has written a piece in the papers.It says the EU is not Europe

As most european countries are in EU/EFTA/EEA then to all practical intents and purposes - Europe is the EU, clue is in the name.

Geographically, europe is a continent of which we are a part of.

Johnson the liar and adulterer doesn't want a deal. There's no deal to be had without alignment of some sort with EU standards. He can't have that if he wants a deal with Trump the liar and molester.
That leavers thought these people will act in their interests is laughable.
To then go on and vote for the most craven, right wing government in this country in living memory just compounds my utter incomprehension at why they think it is in the majority of their interests.
When they lose their jobs or can't afford to feed their children, or their disabled child cannot get support, I hope they remember that they 'won' and that they should suck it up.

Have none of them questioned why Johnson the liar and adulterer removed the working and consumer rights protections from the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement? I mean it is not like they didn't realise that tearing up the red tape for business was exactly that - removing our employment rights. They told us that many many times pre-referendum.
I'm not sure why leave voters are actually on this thread, bleating on about how hard done by they are because remainers call out their lack of critical thinking or racism. Shouldn't they be out celebrating and rubbing our noses in their glitter covered turds or something.
They've 'won' (their terminology) but it is a pyrrhic victory. And they won't even know what they've won for up to 100 years apparently.

We are all going to hell in a handcart if we vote leave (leave won and the economy and people in employment figures haven’t imploded 3.5 years later!)

Comedy gold - newsflash, we haven't left yet.

So pre EU, no one ever studied there.
No one ever moved to live there.
No one ever went on holiday to the EU.

God there are some sore losers on here. Saying the system is flawed because they didn’t win.

You all really need to get on with life. I saw 1917 yesterday. There were young people fighting a war wondering whether they will live and here we are talking about this or discussing whether are gender neutral toilets.

The EU is no big thing. It didn’t help Greece or Italy both of which I have been to many times.

Sorry that should be Europe not the EU.

YANBU OP

I think Labour are STILL wondering why they lost
No, see I disagree. I think Labour knows exactly why it lost. It lost because racist people voted for a racist party.
Except Labour can't really call it for what it is for fear of losing those racist voters forever. So it is running around chasing its tail trying to reconcile what knows against what it can publicly say.

Pre-toilets we all just took dumps outdoors.

Progress is a wonderful thing.

"I saw 1917 yesterday."

FFS.

The system’s flawed regardless of who won. FPTP produces ridiculous results which in no way reflect fair representation of the electorate. What the fuck has leaving the EU got to do with a war film or gender neutral toilets? Incidentally, you do realise the EU was born as a result of determination never again to see war in Europe?

Here's a poem to celebrate this glorious historic day.

I think Labour knows exactly why it lost. It lost because racist people voted for a racist party keep up that thinking and labour will never see power again in our lifetime.

Speaking as someone with a hero of WW1 as a grandfather.....

I know that he will be turning in his grave today. He was fortunate to make it home but never fully recovered from his experiences until he passed away at a grand old age. He would see this as a move against lasting peace with our neighbours.

But forgive him that view. After all he was there in 1917 and didn't have the advantage of watching the film.

"I saw 1917 yesterday."

Well yesterday I listened to Nineteen Eighty-Four - the point being?

Who are all these Remain parties that people voted for? Lib Dems were the only truly Remain party by promising to just forget the referendum ever happened and make sure there would never be another one.

Look at the impact they made in the GE with that little peach of a manifesto. Even their leader couldn’t keep her own seat.

The Greens said they were committed to staying and would have had a second referendum. But that is no guarantee of remaining.

The Labour Party was certainly NOT a Remain party, they kept their cards very close to their chest on that one. They would have given a second referendum but again that’s no guarantee of staying in. And that doesn’t make them a Remain party, merely a party who wished to appear neutral. We all know Corbyn is a Leaver at heart. He was just prepared to leave his principles at the door to get a foot in. You can’t just assume that every party with the exception of the Cons and Brexit party were Remain by default.

So pre EU, no one ever studied there, No one ever moved to live there, No one ever went on holiday to Europe

The number of UK citizens pre 1970s who did any of the above, was relatively small.
Airlines like Easyjet RyanAir didn't exist, once the EU was formed, in 1992, all of the above exploded and became available to almost anyone, 40m journeys are made to Europe each year.

But things aren't going back to pre EU days, immigration policy in the UK and the EU/Schengen area has changed beyond recognition plus Brexit has a created the idea that the UK is no longer welcoming to immigrants.... did you listen to the Lithuanian medical student yesterday on R4 why he is now not going to the UK ?

The world should change drastically in the next years - no flying, few cars, differ t methods to heat our homes etc etc Brexit will be utterly irrelevant if we don't sort the environmental issues/ global warming.Trying to change to sustainable agriculture , a world with few cars, properly controlled fishing when you have to battle German car manufacturers, French farmers and Spanish fishing interests it would be like walking with a ball and chain round your ankle, we have a chance to lead the world here, let's hope (for all our sakes) that we do it.

Actually, no. Leave parties recieved less votes overall than remain parties

You can't call Labour a remain party, they were a "we've spent fours years thinking about it and we are still not sure party" and that is still the case today.

So that pretty much left Lib Dem's as the main 'remain' party and that didn't work out too well.

The people in the north of the country had voted Labour for generations and hell would have frozen over before they voted Conservative ......until 2019. Why did they not vote Lib Dem?

If that isn't a clear message to get Brexit done then I don't know what is? I can only think there are still a lot of people in denial and there is some impressive mental gymnastics going on to justify anything to the contrary.

I think Labour knows exactly why it lost. It lost because racist people voted for a racist party. If that's their analysis then they'll be out of power for decades.

Who are all these Remain parties that people voted for?

Where does it say that more people voted for remain parties? Isn't the argument that more people didn't vote for leave parties?

It's this simplistic view that the opposite of x is y that makes me realise why we're in the mess we're in.

You can’t just assume that every party with the exception of the Cons and Brexit party were Remain by default

We do, however, know the Tories were the only unequivocally leave party.

Got to love all the Brexit voters on here STILL trotting out a revamped version of, "you lost, get over it". We won't get over it, and you were conned.