to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

Do what you like derxa., Your choice.

I'm just saying that my circles don't have vocal leavers in them. I haven't weeded them out or anything.

None in my social circles anyway. Oh my God

So? I know politically interested people who voted Remain. I know people who don't discuss politics and I don't know how they voted. What's wrong with that?

Hamster

Some voted leave because they felt disenfranchised by the UK government - fuck all to do with the EU
Some voted leave because they wanted to control uncontrolled global immigration - can see that's been done to death on this thread already
Some voted leave because they didn't want to conscripted into an EU army - FFS!
Some voted leave because they wanted the UK to make their own laws - but can't explain what laws have been made to the UK's detriment so it's just the notion of independence, rather than actuality
Some voted leave because they didn't like getting back less in EU funding than the UK paid in - ignoring the overall economic benefits to the UK of improving other member states
Some voted leave because they think Germany is trying to run the EU -FFS!
Some voted leave because they think Turkey was about to join the EU - lie
Some voted leave because of the amount of money spent moving the admin between Strasbourg and Brussels - eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-false-travelling-circus-of-the-european-parliament-from-brussels-to-strasbourg-costs-200-million-euros-annually/
Some voted to leave because the EU accounts haven't been audited - lie
Some voted leave because apparently the EU prevented the UK from extraditing Abu Hamza - nothing to do with the EU
Some voted leave because they feel the UK is fettered only having trade agreements through the UK - but can't adequately explain why this is and how things will be better without any.

Oh and I know one or two leave voters or people who may have voted to leave and we don't discuss it. So what?

derxa totally agree, when my partner died, the friend i relied on the most, went on to vote Leave.... should i wreck that deep friendship?

Get angry with Cameron May Johnson, Farage and Gove etc or even Corbyn but the man or woman in the street? no.

I'm an EU citizen. I don't have enough expletives towards some people.

Your choice I don't vilify people according to their political choice.

this narrative of being a remainer as being more educated ... is backed up by research

Previous analyses of the 2016 Brexit referendum used region-level data or small samples based on polling data. The former might be subject to ecological fallacy and the latter might suffer from small-sample bias. We use individual-level data on thousands of respondents in Understanding Society, the UK's largest household survey, which includes the EU referendum question. We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction. These results coincide with corresponding patterns at the aggregate level of voting areas.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

@Rejoin2020
this narrative of being a remainer as being more educated ... is backed up by research

Yes... because it’s so difficult to be a remainer and get a degree in Dance Therapy...

Guy Verhofstadt on twitter yesterday:

"Brexit is a failure of the Union.There is a lesson to learn from it: to deeply reform the Union.To make it into a real Union, a Union without opt-in, without opt-outs, without rebates, without exceptions.Only then we can defend our interests and defend our values."

infrequent use of smartphones and the internet

I thought the leave vote was supposed to have been swayed by evil forces on the internet?

Terrifying clavinova.

I was just saying on the another thread a deeply disturbing narrative erupted after the 2016 vote that only certain types of people should be allowed the vote.

BonnesVacances

Its a naice list but it doesn't cover why everyone voted leave.

The poll on this thread is exactly 50/50.

It's the list of a brain washed fanatic.

I cannot believe people have got this worked up about what's supposed to be a trading block!

Yes... because it’s so difficult to be a remainer and get a degree in Dance Therapy

Pissy comments aren’t a brilliant way to refute actual data, compiled by experts.

I have not rtft. I voted remain and spent a long time being pretty fed up about the result. However, I think YABVU to not forgive those who voted to leave. It was a democratic vote that has been ratified by the result of the December General Election. I believe that those who voted for Brexit in general did so for genuinely held reasons and, just because they had a different point of view, it doesn't make them bad people or stupid people.

I strongly believe that what will be far more damaging than Brexit is if the bitter divisions in the country over the past four years continue. There is a great deal to be said for forgiveness, part of the problem of not forgiving is that it can often do far more harm to the person who refuses to forgive than the people who are not forgiven.

I wish you well and hope that you're able to find peace and forgive as much for your own peace of mind as anything.

this narrative of being a remainer as being more educated has become a meme

And it has its foundation in fact. You have only to look at the demographic of the voters in the referendum to see that.

...EU referendum question. We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction. These results coincide with corresponding patterns at the aggregate level of voting areas

You post this with absolutely no humility.
You are literally saying leave voters are lesser than you

If you look at many of the aspects of this statement that are relevant (things like white British are interesting to be used here because the majority of the population IS white British so not sure of the relevance) then all those other things (low education levels, poor health, claiming benefits etc) don’t exactly point to life being great for the people who are being described.

YOU however are mistaking intelligence with education, and then even worse you are not accounting for good luck in circumstance as opposed to shit luck in circumstance

If you really sit there believing you are better than someone because of the ‘facts’ you have quoted, your head needs a wobble

@LaurieMarlow

Dance Therapy is a legitimate course you can gain a qualification in from university, is it not? It’s a perfectly legitimate response to the argument that those that are “educated”, studying Dance Therapy, as one example, who voted remain are “better” than people that voted leave who didn’t go to university.

Yes I hate them all. What a betrayal of those who died to bring accord.

You post this with absolutely no humility. You are literally saying leave voters are lesser than you

She is literally quoting facts, uncovered in the polling data.

I appreciate some people don’t like these facts, but there is no value judgement in the poster declaring what the data says.

She is literally quoting facts, uncovered in the polling data.

I appreciate some people don’t like these facts, but there is no value judgement in the poster declaring what the data says.

The arrogance is astounding.

You are actually comfortable saying you are better and more valid than people who have lower education levels, poorer health and less life satisfaction.

I’m amazed you would be so blatant but I do wonder how this blind spot is still so blinded

FYI- the blind spot being that you call leave voters bigots