to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

@LaurieMarlow

What, that a teeny proportion of graduates graduated in a course that you (without any expertise) deem to be not worthy of degree status? Ok.

I said, whilst I don’t personally think of it as worthy of degree status, that no matter what I think, it is legitimate and is counted as degree status. So you will have a lot of ‘Mickey mouse’ courses (which has been a thing since the late 90s/early 00s) being included in evidence that more “educated” people voted for Brexit. “Educated” in my opinion, doesn’t mean more clever, like how I think you were trying to frame it as. Whatever though. Everyone’s vote in this country who are of voting age is as valid as anybody else’s, despite background, education and opinions and the majority of voters with their valid as yours (and mine) voted to leave.

The sad thing is that you genuinely believe it is relevant. I would hazard a guess you have had private discussions which involves "not giving the vote to the British people ever again"

Absolutely and categorically not.

I know you really struggle to understand why people would find patterns in the data interesting, relevant and worthy of discussion without wanting to shut down democracy. However I assure you they do. People make careers out of it.

“Educated” in my opinion, doesn’t mean more clever, like how I think you were trying to frame it as

Did I say that? No I didn’t.

Everyone’s vote in this country who are of voting age is as valid as anybody else’s, despite background, education and opinions and the majority of voters with their valid as yours (and mine) voted to leave.

I agree with you. Where have I said otherwise?

The extrapolation on here would take your breath away.

Absolutely and categorically not.

I know you really struggle to understand why people would find patterns in the data interesting, relevant and worthy of discussion without wanting to shut down democracy. However I assure you they do. People make careers out of it.

So do enlighten me - what is so interesting about this data for you>

i literally can't wait to understand how this data is interesting, relevant and worthy of discussion

I've got a bit lost in the thread, but just to say ...

I voted leave. That was my right. I have a degree and a PhD (not that it matters - but some people seem to be implying it does so...). I am not uneducated (and if I was, so what, I still have as much right to vote as anyone else). I am not a biggot or a racist. I was not gullible or fooled into voting as I did. I do not regret my decision. I wouldn't change my mind if the vote was to be held again.

The leave vote won, the remain vote Lost. We are leaving tomorrow.

Can anyone explain to me why the previous referendum on this failed (not from UK)

Do you mean the one in 1975?

I was old enough to vote in that one, and I voted to stay in. I thought I was voting to stay in a Common Market, not a European Union. I thought that having made such an effort to join, we should give it a proper go.

I would never have voted to stay in if I'd known I was voting for 'ever closer union', a single currency, and all the rest of it.Other people I know who voted to stay in 1975 voted Leave this time for similar reasons.

I should think there must be quite a lot of voters who similarly switched from Stay to Leave.

We've all lost love.
Except Leavers don't really seem to understand that.
And it's bigot.

I've also just been wondering lately why so many remainers (and I know not all - many many remainers have been very gracious about the outcome of the vote), simply cannot accept they didn't win. I don't really know how to phrase this, and I'm sorry this is coming out clumsy, - but it just feels a bit like some remainers are coming across as the spoilt kid who didn't get their way ('but mummy, it's not fair, I wanted to win. Oh let me win, please please....')?

The unknown - thanks for correcting my spelling :) so kind of you ....

drums fingers

Hopefully you have given yourself repetitive strain injury there.

Firstly, DA is a big part of my job and there’s very little data I don’t find interesting and worthy of discussion.

Secondly, I have long held a theory that the Remain campaign was dreadful partly because it’s research (my area) was shoddy.

I don’t think it spent adequate time understanding the views of those outside of the ‘metropolitan elite’ (sorry for use of that phrase), which would include those less educated. I also find the geographical breakdown of leave versus remain very interesting, which would back up my theory also.

I've also just been wondering lately why so many remainers (and I know not all - many many remainers have been very gracious about the outcome of the vote), simply cannot accept they didn't win

There are no winners.

Hopefully you have given yourself repetitive strain injury there.

I meant to say havent

Alsohuman - through your lens.

i literally can't wait to understand how this data is interesting, relevant and worthy of discussion

^

Laurie, those less educated doesn't = thick.

@lauriemarlow

Hmmm very elusive

I do data analysis as part of my job, and there is much data that tells you nothing of use at all.

Much like the data you are trying to defend.

That data has been quoted for a very specific reason and IMO not with good intention. I would have more respect for you if you just said it.

those less educated doesn't = thick.

Did. I. Say. That?

Yes, in my opinion. We have a divided country whose society won’t be healed in my life time. We have arch Brexiteer, Rees Mogg, telling us the benefits won’t be felt for 50 years. How are there any winners in that scenario, we’re all losers.

I do love a good brexit thread!! At least they'll be around a few more years!!

That data has been quoted for a very specific reason and IMO not with good intention. I would have more respect for you if you just said it.

I didn’t bring it into the discussion. I jumped in when people started refuting it.

From one random on the internet to another, I don’t care if you have respect for me or not.

Remainers never expected to lose .
The comments on media were that only fools would vote us out of the EU.
As was shown by the way the MP'S acted after the vote, remain could still not accept that their views were not the views being used to create policy.
Since this did not normally happen to liberal minded people, their shock of not being able to brow beat the masses into following orders lead to many refusing to believe what had happened , had happened.
In fact as the 5 stages of grief record to heal first you have to accept.

Well why are you you mentioning degree status if you not?

I've been attacked on another thread for my spelling and spell checker?
As though I'm the put in the stocks and chuck cabbages at example of your usual thick uneducated voter?

If it's not relevant to that narrative why not mention all leave voters have brown hair, are left handed and drive bmw?

those less educated doesn't = thick.

Did. I. Say. That?

Being a data analyst n all, presumably you know that data tells stories.

The data that you have been giving as 'evidence' is telling a story to everyone who reads your posts. You don't need to explicitly say it.

Mummy it's probably how versaille Court felt after revolution...

How tsars Court felt after revolution etc etc.