to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

If you can't 'forgive' the people who have voted against you then you are doomed to a life of misery
Anyway, I'm sure those who have voted leave won't care whether they have your forgiveness or not.

I'm with you OP. I'm the wife of a British scientist working on an EU project and living in another EU country. We've been through absolute hell the last 3 years and I'll never forgive anyone who voted to do that to us.

I've been with my husband for 25 years and he's an absolute rock, the sort you turn to in a crisis. Unflapable. But brexit has broken him and I've seen him cry for the first time ever over it. Bastards!

Then there's my adult DD who is currently undergoing treatment for a very serious illness. She spent 6 months in hospital in the last 12 months. I've had her in tears too as she doesn't know if she'll still get free treatment post brexit. Bastards!

And the worst thing is, my entire fucking family voted for this. So they can all fuck right off too.

The pulling together, being positive to make it work stuff is pretty daft. That's not going to have the slightest impact on trade negotiations and the economic impact of Brexit, which are the things that will fuck us over.

In your defense 17 million people is a lot to forgive 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I agree, but what does forgiveness even look like? I don't have any idiots in my life who voted Brexit apart from a few people I have to work with. People have done a lot worse to me than voting for this, so I don't have these people in my life either. I have no intention of letting any of them back into my life. I don't think about them. I don't think about forgiving them. I just get on with living life and being with lovely, positive people.

I would imagine you know far more Brexiteer's than you think you do. They won't tell you they voted to leave, or they might have even pretended that they voted remain. It happens a lot, I've certainly come across it.

This time next year it will be yesterday's news. Certainly will be in 5 years.

We're leaving, nothing you can do to change it. Focus on something you can change.

I agree with TheRealMcKenna. I’ve lived in the NW and the SE and all points in between. There were and are a huge number of people who felt disenfranchised, unheard and who built up a huge resentment for those they thought were in charge, creaming off the best of everything.
So they voted Brexit, because all of the points against it meant nothing to them, and the politicians and the chattering classes sleepwalked over the edge because they couldn’t believe the status quo would change, and they were shafted by their own complacent smugness.
But yes, it’s precisely those areas and people who will be hardest hit. They trusted the Tories to keep their word, and that was stupid.

Honestly? I'm sick of leave voters. I'm sick of them shouting about how they knew exactly what they voted for when we're still no closer as a nation to knowing what the hell leave means. I'm sick of them thinking being rude and downright abusive towards remainers is funny and above all acceptable. I'm sick of their racist and xenophobic ways being celebrated. I'm sick of their utter bullcrap excuses as to why they voted leave, when the vast majority of them did not (and still don't) have a bastard clue what the EU is or how it functions.

The UK is being destroyed by halfwits, and everyone who disagrees with them is ripe for abuse, mockery and shouted at to suck it up. They can all fuck right off as far as I'm concerned, I hope them and their families suffer the most from Brexit. I'm beyond caring if that's harsh. I've given up being hopeful, brexit is a train crash and leave voters need to own the mess they're creating.

If you think that the U.K. is such a fucking useless country I can see why you think it needs an unelected layer of dictatorship to control it. So you're not willing to forgive 17 million people who exercised their democratic right to vote. Ok, that's an awful lot of people to hold a grudge against.
@IvyTrails
Your post is abhorrent

This democracy thing is a real bugger , isn't it !.

@ IvyTrails- I voted leave in the Referendum.

We have just acknowledged the 75th anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz.

Referring to Leave voters as Nazis with all that, that implies says far more about you than about Leavers.

If your mindset is representative of Remainers, then thank goodness we are leaving.

I have reported your post.

Much as I hate to invoke Godwin's law Hitler was voted in. Just because people vote for something it doesn't make it right. I'm not angry with the people who voted leave though. I think most of them voted in the way that they thought best. I'm angry with the people who influenced them to think that way.

If you are a leave voter and believe that you were not influenced by anyone then I suggest you watch this...

If you are a remainer I suggest you don't watch it, it's too horrifying.

What it boils down to is that the leave campaign was better funded and more cleverly run. They also didn't care about things like honesty or following spending rules so the Remain campaign was really fighting with one hand tied behind their backs.

Cameron was so arrogant, imagine a politician listening to people who are outside the London elite.

I feel you OP. The thing is, you'll just get the usual snowflake/remoaner/"get over it you lost" jibes.

What Brexiteers don't understand isn't that many of us are upset because we lost. I mean, yes we are, but that's not the issue. It's the barefaced and blatant lies that were told to win over the electorate. I can gracefully accept losing politically when it's a fair fight but the conduct of Brexiteer politicians went way beyond acceptable boundaries.

I'm actually furious that politicians can lie and get away with it. There has to be some accountability going forward. We are moving to a Trump based political set-up where the government can just spout complete untruths and they get away with it.

And before anyone starts pointing out that Remainer politicians weren't squeaky clean either, I agree. Neither side covered themselves in glory but the Brexiteer politicians were far worse and basically used outrageous lies to sway the vote. And the trouble is, although some voters have now seen through them, the majority still don't realise they were lied to or the full reality of what options such as WTO entail.

I'm upset because these lies will have sweeping consequences not just for me, but for my children and their future.

Also, and I am prepared to stand corrected....I suspect that when it all inevitably goes tits up, Brexiteers will find someone to blame. It will never come back on them. Those who voted Leave won't ever accept that they caused the complete disaster which I think is forthcoming.

And genuinely, I am prepared to be wrong. I would be delighted to be wrong and I would absolutely be the first to say fair play, you were right. I've had some great, thought-provoking conversations on Twitter with Leavers - I've particularly enjoyed talking to the ones who accept that in the short-term things could be rocky but believe in the much longer term things will be better. The ones that refuse to acknowledge the lies or the legitimate concerns but choose to just chuck around insults instead, I just walk away from. Sadly they seem to be in the majority.

I think I'm just heartily sick of the lies and the incessant rise of point-scoring, nasty politics. I try to move past it but in all honesty I still deeply wounded inside by everything that has transpired.

@TheRealMcKenna I've asked many people who voted Leave why they did it and what the concrete benefits will be.

Leaving aside blue passports, unicorns, fish, sovereignty, and an anachronistic belief that we're still an Empire with the clout to match, I'm still mystified. The only convincing arguments I've heard are from those who have been employed within the EU gravy train circles and have explained that they have been horrified at amounts of money wasted in some cases. I do have to laugh, darkly, at Farage, though, who managed to rake in hundreds of thousands of pounds over the last decades as he continued to tell everyone to "Brexit", and the fact that so many of his acolytes couldn't see through his stance. Despite the fact I really don't like the man and have to turn the radio off when he's getting yet more airtime, I do have to laugh at how well played that particular charade has been.

Out of curiosity, why did you vote Leave?

The worst is the lies told - that people merrily swallowed.

My bet is when we all end up in hell, the leavers will blame remainers for it all, saying it is because we didn't get on board. I wouldn't have gotten on board with the nazis, I'm not getting on board with Brexit or the evil that is the Tory party.
Leavers will NEVER take responsibility for their gigantic cock up.
The NHS is already partly sold, homelessness is on the rise and empathy is dead. The future is beyond bleak.

YABU because you need to get over it, like so many others have.

I voted to remain, it's not going to happen. Moping about it isn't going to improve my life or my mental health.

And let's be honest, why would anyone want forgiveness anyway?

Its quite hard to 'get over' such a big difference in pov when said people keep talking down to you, insult remainers etc....

Yes we all know, democracy blablabla (lets forget that we were running the same vote ow, the results would be totally different or that the majority was so small that it should never have lead to an automatic 'leave the EU'). But the reality is that Leavers going on and on about how unreasonnable Remainers are (despite the fact some of them have fighted agianst the EU for the last 40 years), that 'they have won so get over it' etc... just antagonise people. Amnd antagonising half of the population is never a good idea imo.
A hard breiter point of view on that subject

I get the inability of forgiving when you feel that the whole of your children's future has been taken away from them (I suspect this is much more the case for people who have used that abaility to just move or sudy abroad rather than by those who have stayed out in the same town than their parents and grand parents have lived in).
I also get that this is how it is and we cannot change that atm.

However, a boit of understanding from the 'winning side' (as we all teach our own dcs btw) wouldnt go amiss.

@MaxNormal you cannot count Labour as a remain party. Corbyn was so on the fence.

We don't know how it'll be, for all we know nothing will change in our day to day lifes. Or maybe things could go well, but crying we're all doomed isn't going to help anything.

Wow!! First time I've seen a nasty anti-brexit thread for ages!

Seriously though, this is one of the main problems that we seem to have as a nation today. The inability to realise that people who hold different views to us are not the devil incarnate.

Hitler was voted in

Not really, in the German PR system he had a considerable number of seats and that made him the natural one to form a government and the he was appointed as Chancellor by President Hindenburg. Hitler's party had 40% of the vote.

I will never forgive Cameron for enabling the referendum. No misery or pain will ever be enough for him from my point of view.

I find it very hard not to be angry with Leave voters who are gloating. They got what they wanted so I don't see why they can't accept that with a modicum of grace.

I'm really bloody pissed off with the situation and cannot abide hearing from Brexit supporting people in the media so much so I turn off as soon as it starts being discussed, but we're in it now and there's no point being angry, the only person you're hurting is yourself and those nearest to you.