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AIBU to think these Welsh language requirements are ridiculous (and bordering on discrimination?)

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DimDimDiolch · 26/01/2020 20:53

Context: I run a micro business in urban South Wales, where I rarely hear Welsh spoken, and many Welsh born-and-bred people don't speak a word of Welsh. I lived my whole life in England (no Welsh lessons at school - or anywhere else!) until about 18 months ago. I've picked up the odd bit of Welsh here and there (diolch, dim, croeso, nos da, bara, araf - that sort of thing) but I'm far from fluent. My business isn't yet big enough to employ anyone else.

My business is the sort of business where you attend events, pay for a pitch and sell products to the general public.

I've now been denied pitches at a couple of events purely on the grounds that I don't speak Welsh, even though literally everyone locally speaks English (except those who only speak Polish or Urdu...). AIBU to think it's a matter of anti-English sentiment, bordering on discrimination, that I'm experiencing? It all feels a bit 'jobs for the boys' to me, when my Welsh speaking ability has nothing to do with the products I sell.

OP posts:
leghairdontcare · 26/01/2020 21:27

Public Services have duties under the Welsh language act to give Welsh equal status. Private businesses don't have the same legal obligations but it will be encouraged.

What events?

Waffles80 · 26/01/2020 21:28

Oh and now the OP is going to lie about their lack of ability to speak Welsh. Unbelievable.

Doilooklikeatourist · 26/01/2020 21:29

Most people in Wales don’t speak Welsh , yet they get away with discrimination like this all the time

justasking111 · 26/01/2020 21:29

Are you talking about the urdd or eisteddfod events?

AugustRose · 26/01/2020 21:30

Son's DG is Welsh and speaks it fluently, she recently applied for a job in a restaurant and was told she'd have to brush up her Welsh skills by the English owner. When she speaks in English she doesn't have an accent so perhaps he thought she was English too. She did say they often ask for Welsh speakers in that area, Caenarfon.

Wolfiefan · 26/01/2020 21:32

I too wondered if it was eisteddfod or similar.

iolaus · 26/01/2020 21:32

are these events that you have been 'denied' Eisteddfod which are run by the Urdd?

Because they are Welsh language events, I'm not fluent but the kids are and we went one year in South Wales - and yes 99% of people there were talking Welsh

user1471519931 · 26/01/2020 21:32

Waffles SPOT ON

Mrsmadevans · 26/01/2020 21:33

I think you need to give us rock solid evidence OP . I live in a place like the one you are talking about and that would never happen here . I would be very interested in finding out the exact Events you are implicating.

KaptenKrusty · 26/01/2020 21:33

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DimDimDiolch · 26/01/2020 21:33

Learn Welsh OP.

You find me some free, local Welsh lessons and I'd be happy to attend. I can't find them - and with a start up business, I genuinely cannot afford to pay.

Wales is not England - legally services provided in Wales must be bilingual - definitely not discriminatory. Its a bit cheeky to think that as an incomer you don't have to support Welsh.

Only public services have to be bilingual, not private businesses. Hence why you don't find all the products labelled bilingually in Tesco. I'm all in favour of people speaking Welsh, and I've tried to pick up a few bits, but I have literally never had the opportunity - I went to a school which was just the other side of the border but considered Latin to be very useful, with Welsh not even on the radar as something you might learn.

I seem to have offended some of the Yes Cymru brigade who seem to think anyone with English blood has got it in for them. I really don't want to stop anyone else speaking Welsh - I just want to be able to run my business like anyone else. Perhaps if I don't get discriminated against then I'll be able to grow my business and employ some Welsh people and contribute more to the local economy...?

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Itsabigstinkydog · 26/01/2020 21:34

DH grew up in mid Wales in a small town. Nearly all the jobs there want you to have moderate to fluent welsh speaking abilities. I totally understand wanting to preserve the language but I feel they are massively limiting themselves...

gypsywater · 26/01/2020 21:34

@KaptenKrusty indeed!

ItFigures · 26/01/2020 21:35

Originally from S Wales and speak Welsh but it never assisted me in any way when I lived in Wales. I was never witness to the discrimination some other posters have suggested.

DefConOne · 26/01/2020 21:35

My in-laws have had difficulties as well. They were born in an area not traditionally Welsh speaking and never learnt it growing up. They have tried to learn and know a bit but not fluent as none of their friends and families speak it.

SerenDippitty · 26/01/2020 21:35

Only public services have to be bilingual, not private businesses. Hence why you don't find all the products labelled bilingually in Tesco.

They do have bilingual signage though.

leghairdontcare · 26/01/2020 21:36

You find me some free, local Welsh lessons and I'd be happy to attend. I can't find them - and with a start up business, I genuinely cannot afford to pay.

What county are you in?

Skysblue · 26/01/2020 21:36

My family looked into moving to Wales decades ago and everyone advised us not to on the basis that businesses routinely discriminate against English people for jobs/services and pretend it’s about a made up need to know Welsh.

Depressing to hear it’s still going on.

Bipbopbee · 26/01/2020 21:36

I’ve been learning Welsh on Duolingo for over a year as DH and I are planning to move to Wales in a few years time. I’m hoping to be fluent by then.

I feel it’s respectful as an incomer. Duolingo is a good way to learn and it’s free.

Mrsmadevans · 26/01/2020 21:36

Show us the proof OP

flouncyfanny · 26/01/2020 21:36

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gypsywater · 26/01/2020 21:36

"Yes Cymru" when I live in England and am English. Alright then Hmm

mumoid · 26/01/2020 21:37

Well said Waffles.
Why not learn to speak Welsh? If you want to live in Wales, it’s the least you can do. Anyone migrating to England would surely make an effort to learn the language as the first step to integration. Why should Wales be different? Perhaps it would be a good idea to read up on the history of oppression of the Welsh language in order to gain an overview of the sensitivities here?

DimDimDiolch · 26/01/2020 21:37

What county are you in?

Cardiff

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L0bstersLass · 26/01/2020 21:38

@DimDimDiolch

www.saysomethingin.com/welsh/info/faq

The first 15 on-line lessons are free.

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