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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

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thereplycamefromanchorage · 25/01/2020 09:20

I don't think your rules are too strict. There's a difference between getting a bus to local shops and getting a train to a city an hour a way. You start doing the first, and build up slowly to the second. I wouldn't want my 11 year old an hour away on her own - if they did run into problems, you can guarantee my parenting would be called into question. In S1, I too would be wanting to know whose houses my child was at, if I didn't know the new friends.

That said, I think the grounding for a month needs a rethink. You want to keep open the lines of communication with her, not scare her off from confiding in you.

NotYourHun · 25/01/2020 09:23

I think punishing her might be the wrong route to take here. She isn’t going to want to disclose if she has problems in future if you go nuclear about this. Why not just sit her down and discuss why these messages were inappropriate and how she should respond to them? You could take this opportunity to discuss porn, toxic masculinity etc. And then how about discussing with her what she thinks are normal rules and boundaries for a child of her age and maybe negotiating a bit? It does sound as if she is a bit mollycoddled and that probably isn’t helping her to navigate issues like this. I think you probably also need to talk to this boy’s parents or the school but you can do it sensitively without demonising him or embarrassing your daughter.

BetsyBigNose · 25/01/2020 09:25

@bonnie1981 - Just to confirm, you've grounded her for 'lying', is that right?

If so, I don't understand how she has lied. She didn't tell you about the "boyfriend", but neither did you directly ask her "Do you have a secret boyfriend who is sending you sexually explicit messages on your phone?" only for her to reply "No".

I'm with you on most of your strict rules for your DD, as they are designed to keep her safe - and she is still only 11 after all, but I think that in grounding her over this, you're damaging your relationship with her and essentially punishing her for being sent these inappropriate messages, and for being in a 'relationship' where the boy involved has tried to control who she is friends with. She must be so confused and upset - she really needs your love and support at the moment, not your judgement and punishment.

I apologise, because I know this is going to be difficult to hear, but I think you are punishing her because you are disappointed with yourself for not being more attentive to her phone usage and I think your overreaction to the situation (going "ape shit" and grounding her) are a knee-jerk reaction to your own guilt. You're terrified at the thought of what could have happened and you know you could have done better as a parent and could have stopped all of this before it became a problem if you had done. Your OTT reaction now is very much locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

With kindness; you really would be better off speaking with your daughter rationally about the situation, finding out how she feels (scared, upset, embarrassed, worried and confused would be my bet) and helping her to learn from what has happened and how to be strong enough to stand up to someone who tries to treat her this way in the future, rather than punishing her for your lack of attention to her life.

I hope you manage to calm down enough to love her through this, instead of punishing her for something which was out of her control, otherwise I fear you risk pushing her further away, when this is the perfect opportunity for you to prove to her that she can talk to you, about anything and that you're not going to fly off the deep end, but will help her, advise and support her, without judgement. She's only 11, please remember that, you have nearly a decade of teenage hormones on the horizon and you're going to want to build up the trust in your relationship now, because there will be worse storms than this one to weather in the coming years.

I wish your family the best.

TartanMarbled · 25/01/2020 09:26

You've handled this really badly. Your DD sounds terrified of you and will be very secretive in the future.

Smelborp · 25/01/2020 09:31

As some of the other posters have said, I’d be more worried about the next time this happens, or if she’s in a worse situation and she remembers your reaction now. Would she confide in you?

Lyralalala has a great point (the whole post is excellent) - why specifically is she being punished? Even if you know, will she? Is there a chance she will she think she’s being punished for receiving the messages?

I’m glad that you are going for a hot chocolate with her. You need to be on her side through this and let her know that you are trying to keep her safe. You need to make sure that she feels she can trust you. Right now, I’m not sure she would feel like that.

Wigeon · 25/01/2020 09:32

My DD is 11 /first year of secondary and one of the ground rules of her having a phone is that we have the right to check it. If she was refusing to let us, she’d have to forfeit the phone. 11 year olds don’t have the mature judgement to cope with everything which might come up with phone usage, and as her parent it’s my responsibility to help guide her (and protect her if needed). That’s not “too strict”.

I would also be very concerned this boy isn’t really 12, and I’d be stopping her contacting him, if there have been sexually explicit messages, whatever his age.

My DD isn’t allowed to go on hour long train journeys and neither are her friends as far as I’m aware. She is currently off cycling to her swimming lesson by herself (about 15 mins cycle away). She’d also be allowed in the local shopping centre for a defined amount of time with friends. Those sort of things are the right amount of freedom for her right now, IMO.

We are having one of her new secondary school friends over later this week, and I’ve never met the parents, so we’ll see how that goes! DH teaches her friend though (but hasn’t met the parents either), so maybe that’s why they’re happy to send her off to strangers’ house.

OhLook · 25/01/2020 09:32

Definitely do not speak to his parents!

Whatever age he is, he's been sending explicit messages to an 11 year old, you need to report it to the school and police.

I can't put into words how badly I think you've handled this with your DD. The chances of her ever coming to you to report anything similar in the future are zero now.

She's an 11 year old who had been receiving damaging sexual messages and you've punished her on a nuclear level for it.

AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 09:33

You're not too strict and you're not being over protective, though I'm sure many of the 'cool mums' will disagree. She's 11, that's still very young.

However, I don't think you should have gone apeshit at her. She's young, she thinks she's 'in love' and she'll no doubt be struggling with puberty. The next few years are bloody difficult to navigate, but she needs to know that you are on her side and that she can talk to you. My fear now would be that she doesn't feel she'll be able to approach you or confide in you and that will be a problem. She actually hasn't done anything wrong OP.

MamaGee09 · 25/01/2020 09:35

And i 5ought I was a strict parent!

The only independence your dd has is walking to school and friends houses you know,. It’s a whole new ball game when they go to high school and they need some leeway..... it’s scary but you don’t want them wrapped in cotton wool.

Both mine were gradually given independence in 1 st year at high school, eg allowed into the city. 40 minute bus journey, on the condition if I text they replied straight away. They had a time to be home by which was usually 5pm. You can’t keep tab s on all their friends however I did have access to their phones each night if I wanted.i certainly didn’t track them, that’s just not trusting them at all.

Respect works both ways, you show some respect and leeway to them and they show it back. Both mine come to me with any problems due to mutual respect. However even ds who is 18 says I’m much more strict than his friends who were wandering the streets at 11 with curfew aged 13 was midnight and the parents never knew where and with who they were with... that’s not how I work.

In all honesty I’m not surprised your dd doesn’t open up to you Andy I’m not sure why she is grounded for a month! God help you when she rebels due to your controlling ways.

dognamedspot · 25/01/2020 09:36

When you go for the hot chocolate I think you should tell her that you think you over-reacted because you were shocked. Not at anything she's done, but that she had been getting messages like this. Cancel the punishments. Tell her that you would always want her to feel safe to tell you if anything is happening to her that makes her feel out of her depth, unhappy, or worried. Explain why sexting isn't a good idea. That sort of thing... in other words try to establish some trust. All you've done now is let her know that you are going to blame and punish her for things that she didn't do.

Mumto1girl3boys · 25/01/2020 09:36

Yabu, youve grounded your dd for a month because she has a boyfriend????? Wtaf??? Definatly too strict, shes in high school now let her grow up!

MamaGee09 · 25/01/2020 09:38

Regarding the boy, I’d message him from your dd’s Phone and say that you have seen the messages and will be checking her phone regularly and a repeat performance will have you speaking to his parents.

He’s a hormonal 12 year old and probably trying to act big to his friends.

I certainly wouldn’t involve the police at this stage.

collywobblescar · 25/01/2020 09:38

I think you've handled this badly. By flying off the handle about it you've proved to her why she should keep things from you in future. Things change when they hit this age and you need to build up trust with her so she feels she can approach you should anything happen like this again.

Yes he is in the wrong, but you loosing your shit with her hasn't helped.

Also, you will never know any of her parents friends. She will now fall into the trap with you about lying about who she's meeting, which in turn makes her more unsafe than if you knew who she was with.

bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 09:39

@BetsyBigNose

I did ask her, several times, if she had a boyfriend. She said no.
I did ask her, several times, if she was getting upsetting texts or being bullied, she said no.
I did ask her several times, how school was etc, and she bit my head off and told me to leave her alone.
I did ask her, several times, to let me see her phone, she said it was 'dead' or she'd show me 'later'.
I did give DD lots of talks growing up about things like consent, bullying, how to behave around boys, sex, periods etc.
I did sit down with her several times over the last few weeks to try to get to the bottom of her changing behaviour, tried to get her to open up to me, gave her hugs, tried to give her some distance so that she could open up in her own time, and all I got was 'leave me alone', 'nothings wrong' etc.

So yes, the punishment is mostly for lying to us, putting herself in danger, letting us down re: the standard of behaviour she knows we expect, hiding information from us etc.

She's not going to be locked in the house outside of school hours but she will be limited in what she can do and who with. DH says we can review this punishment as we go along based on how DD responds to it.

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AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 09:39

I've been guilty in the past of threatening grounding but never actually doing it. So I need to mean business this time. I may be strict with rules but I don't think I have been strict enough with punishments.

@bonnie1981 I ask this gently, but what are you actually punishing her for? What has she done?

She probably didn't know how to process these messages as she likes this boy and perhaps has been feeling a bit confused. She might have wanted to tell you but didn't know why.

He's the problem here, not your daughter.

Mumto1girl3boys · 25/01/2020 09:39

And yeah your dd may well get bullied and to be honest its your fault. Your husband wants to go to the policConfused never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life! Your poor daughter has no sort of life with yous as parents. 1st year and shes not allowed to walk to and from school. Madness

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 25/01/2020 09:40

I haven’t rttft, but don’t confront him or parents. That gives him/them time to concoct a story. School and police.

AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 09:41

So yes, the punishment is mostly for lying to us, putting herself in danger, letting us down re: the standard of behaviour she knows we expect, hiding information from us etc.

All kids lie. I did, I'm sure you did. It's not right but any sanction should surely fit the 'crime'.

Genuinely, OP. Are you really surprised that she feels she can't talk to you?

EttaKett · 25/01/2020 09:43

OP, my daughter (my youngest) is 16 in summer. I am pretty strict, and we clash regularly about the great unfairness of life and everything (in her view).

However: she tells me things. I don't always like what I hear, and will say so - but in a measured and 'advisory' kind of way. If I were to blow a fuse, she wouldn't tell me anything, and then would almost certainly find herself in a really bad situation with no way out, because she'd fear my reaction.

A month of grounding for no particular crime is a really bad idea. You can still backtrack. I have had to backtrack from excessive 'gut instinct' punishments with all of mine on occasion. And that's when they have done something specifically wrong - which your daughter hasn't really done. Bear in mind that, so far as you know, it's the boy who has been the perpetrator (and, even then, he could be anything from deviant to a confused 12 yr old who has seen too much porn and doesn't really understand what he's doing).

It seems, to judge only from what you have written here, that your daughter has too little freedom in real life and too much freedom on the internet (arguably a far more dangerous place than the centre of Glasgow in broad daylight). I still take my DD's phone by 10PM at the latest, and charge it in my own bedroom.

lyralalala · 25/01/2020 09:44

So yes, the punishment is mostly for lying to us, putting herself in danger, letting us down re: the standard of behaviour she knows we expect, hiding information from us etc.

You are punishing her for not being able to open up to you and I cannot stress enough how bad an idea that is

She is under pressure from all corners. I wouldn’t want to be a youngster today for all the money in the world

She was trying to work her way through a relationship with pressure - she didn’t respond to his explicit messages so she wasn’t encouraging them or endangering herself. She just clearly didn’t know how to handle them

She probably didn’t want the messages, but also didn’t want to be the girl at school that gets laughed at for being a baby, but also didn’t want to get in trouble with you, but also didn’t know how to open up about it all

Punishing that confusion and conflict is not going to open the channels of communication between you

Believe me, been there and done it wrong as I said in my last post

AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 09:45

Also @bonnie1981 if you've been constantly asking her the same things over the last few weeks she may feel you've been 'badgering' her and having told a lie the first time, didn't know how to tell you what was really going on.

I'm not saying she was right, but do you honestly not think that you and your DH need to at least review how you move on from this a little? Parenting kids this age is hard but if you continue giving her so little wriggle room, she'll tell you nothing.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 25/01/2020 09:45

And I’d tred carefully with punishment, it sounds like she is being pressurised and coerced.

KatyCarrCan · 25/01/2020 09:45

I'm confused that you are super strict about friendships/train journeys, etc, but you let your 11-yr-old have access to a mobile without supervision.
You can contact the school and they may give the pupils a talk or letter the parents about supervising their DCs' phones etc. (This happened at our school). However, from experience, it will make no difference. Parents who let their DCs access phones without supervision and use apps that aren't age-appropriate will continue to do so regardless of what the school says.
I agree with PPs that you have work to do to re-establish trust. This was an opportunity to support your DD and have a conversation about boundaries, relationships, friendships, etc. Instead you've heavily punished her and shut down the channels of communication. That combination of super-strict but not supervising, blaming the girl because you're upset by a boy's behaviour, etc, leaves girls vulnerable to manipulative relationships. I think you need to re-think your approach and the way you communicate and support your DD.

KatieB55 · 25/01/2020 09:45

I was making 4hr train journeys & flights across Europe by myself at 11 (forces boarding school child) - with no mobile phone. You need to let her gain some independence!

bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 09:46

@Wigeon

DD goes to the corner shop near our house. She goes to the play park near our house to hang out. She walks to the next estate to see her BFFs. She goes out into the local high street at lunch (across the road from school). Her DGM lives near the high street so she's been allowed to go to Greggs a few times she's been at her DGM at weekends too.

If our swimming pool, cinema etc was a 10/15 min walk then she would be allowed to walk there, but they involve a train or car journey.

Independence doesn't just depend on age, there are other factors to be taken into account too.

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