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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

OP posts:
bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 08:47

catching up on replies this morning

@AliMonkey yes you seem to get it. That is pretty much my approach

@BetsyBigNose it is life360 that we use also. Yes I've been thinking about whether DD has sent anything inappropriate that maybe she deleted before I could see them. I will need to have another conversation with her this morning to find out for sure.

Before I found out she was seeing this boy, I was suggesting to her that we practice train journeys. Her 12th birthday is in 2 weeks and I was even thinking that maybe I dropped her off at the big shopping mall (all indoors) with her friends and picked them up again (so there were all in the same building and thus less likely to get lost). I don't think I'm going to do any of this anymore. As I said, she's grounded for a month and I need to stick to that.

I've been guilty in the past of threatening grounding but never actually doing it. So I need to mean business this time. I may be strict with rules but I don't think I have been strict enough with punishments.

@Laserbird16 it does sound rather controlling and that concerns me. The boyfriend thing in itself would have been okay but its more the lying about it, the messages, the controlling behaviour. Its not normal for kids of that age.

thank you @Skittlesandbeer I am rather hurt and taken aback by some of the responses on here too. I was hoping for some suggestions on how to handle this and what to do, but my parenting is being called into question when I already feel pretty shit. DH did not sleep well last night and told me this morning that he is really disappointed, worried and upset. DD is very much a daddy's girl.

@celebratingrita would the school do anything if the messages aren't there anymore as evidence? the boy is blocked and DD seems to have deleted some messages before I got a hold of her phone.

@Yolande7 she used to have no issues sharing her phone with us and letting us see her messages. Its only been in the past month maybe that she seemed to be hiding it, getting moodier, saying it was dead etc when I asked for a look, so that spiked my suspicions.

@wibdib I was thinking it over last night and I can vaguely recall the BF's mum talking about her nephew. If its the same boy, his parents have split up and I think his dad is a bit of an arse and the boy hasn't coped well. So I'm in two minds as to whether to call his mum and upset her. I wonder if its coming form the dad? But I do need it to stop. Maybe the message I sent saying to leave DD alone or I'd speak to his mum will be enough for now.

@Ahnowted for lying

To the PP who said to go out and have a hot choc and a talk - I like this idea. There's a costa nearby so I might suggest that and try to deal with things a bit calmer and dig for some more information from her.

To the PP who asked where in Scotland we are. We are west coast and yes, its an hour train into Glasgow. Straight line though. To the other PP - yes there are parts of Scotland (and Glasgow!) we wouldn't go as adults let alone kids.

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Dividingthementalload · 25/01/2020 08:48

I agree with others: going mad helps no one. You need to apologise and open up a constructive line of communication with her. She’s kept it from you possibly because she knows it’s wrong and maybe because she feels uncomfortable - you need her to know she can tell you anything and there will be no judgement, no shouting.

I wouldn’t approach parents, I’d go through school. This is sexual harassment and both children need helping to handle/correct that behaviour. Class WhatsApp’s are a real issue but if they are promoting or allowing harassment or sexually offensive comments against women then school must become involved. Remember the Exeter uni scandal - offensive comments about girls and women, in writing is otherwise, should be fake seriously. With 12 year olds, it’s coming from somewhere and that needs nipping in the bud.

And all phones downstairs at night, from 9pm ish we switch off and put tech away so that when our girls get phones the house rule is there. You might find it benefits you too, it’s blissful switching off.

dottiedodah · 25/01/2020 08:48

Agree with others here really.It is a difficult transition from Primary School to Secondary, and she is probably wanting to fit in and be liked and so on .However I dont think you are being too strict at all! Many parents want to be cool and their childs BF instead of protecting them .I think have a look at the messages if you can and decide from there whether to involve the police or not .

memberofseven · 25/01/2020 08:49

I missed you had grounded her for a month. That's over the top. Nothing wrong with being strict (and I don't think your rules are particularly strict) but when she rebels against you, you need to talk to her not alienate her and make her secretive. I would be talking about the fact that the content of the messages is inappropriate at her age and that both she and the boy concerned could get into a lot of trouble.

Decidewhattobeandgobeit · 25/01/2020 08:49

Yanbu for the way you feel big your reaction will make your daughter feel like she can’t talk to you

crochetandshit · 25/01/2020 08:50

She was pressured to lie and be secretive by an older boy.
You are punishing her for being a victim.

PineappleDanish · 25/01/2020 08:50

There are two things going on here.

First the inappropriate messages. Yes you should deal with this by either reporting it to school, the boy's parents, or both. Internet safety and things like sexting are usually covered in PSE lessons in S1 so it's something most kids should be aware of, and know it's wrong.

On all the other stuff - yes you're too strict! If your daughter is 11 and in S1 then she is the very youngest in her year. Most of her friends will have been 12 for months. Some whose parents deferred them will already be 13. You chose to send her at 4.5 into P1 and not defer her, so she is always going to be the youngest.

In our Glasgow suburb (I'm assuming you're in Glasgow as you're talking about getting the train into the city centre) children walk to school from P4, or perhaps P5 with friends older siblings or alone. It would be unusual for P7 to be the first time a child is allowed to walk alone. Same as the going into town with friends. My DD is S2, but last year after Christmas of S1 she would go into town with 2 or 3 friends, wander up and down Buchanan St for a couple of hours, have a Starbucks and catch the train home. Very normal.

You also can't expect to check out parents in the same way before your child goes to their house. Secondary is so different, they;re making friends who all went to separate primary schools and want to visit their homes. Having an open house policy is all well and good but your DD is going to want to visit friends in their homes too. And you will get to know the parents dropping off and picking up. Maybe not as well as at Primary though.

In short, you need to start cutting your DD some slack and showing you trust her. |She doesn't need you ferrying her everywhere and vetting her friends or their parents. And then when something happens which she needs help with, she doesn't feel able to approach you because she knows you'll go ballistic. Deal with it now as you have years of this ahead of you - she;ll be the last to get her driving lessons so will you be going on about how unsafe it is to get in a car with a friend because she's only 16? Or in S3 when it's D of E time and they're excitedly planning their expedition without adults, "but she's only 13!!" Or when she's off to Uni and everyone else is getting hammered in freshers' week and you're horrified that DD has procured fake ID to get into the Union as she won't be 18 until the following February...

Dividingthementalload · 25/01/2020 08:51

Read update: it sounds like it’s all about you/your husband and how you feel. It’s not. It’s about your daughter who at best is being groomed and at worst is too immature to safely handle a situation she’s been thrown into. She doesn’t need grounding, she needs support and love. Pls rethink. You need to change your approach or you’ll lose her fo her teenage years.

keiratwiceknightly · 25/01/2020 08:55

If they are at the same school, you should tell the school IMO. This is a safeguarding issue for both of them; and the school should then contact the boys' parents.

I don't think you've been too strict - if anything, not strict enough re that phone. She's shown now that she isn't able to use it sensibly/cope with other using phones in appropriately so please insist that you can check it any time you feel like. Other freedoms can come with time - mall with mates sounds like a good first step.

I'm a teacher and the mum of 2 girls aged 17 and 15 btw.

harriethoyle · 25/01/2020 08:59

I can't believe you've grounded her FOR A MONTH! No wonder the poor girl doesn't talk to you. If you continue down this road, you'll alienate her and she'll become even more secretive. Please don't stick to your guns on this one...

AhNowTed · 25/01/2020 09:02

@Dividingthementalload

Absolutely agree.

TrickyD · 25/01/2020 09:02

DGD, then 13, was sent some very explicit images by a boy in her class. She showed her dad who, horrified, met their teacher who was equally appalled. Boy’s father was called in. He is a pastor so was similarly shocked. Boy was told if it happened again the Police would be informed.

No more trouble; the school was totally supportive; the OP should certainly involve them.

TheMobileSiteMadeMeSignup · 25/01/2020 09:03

OP I think I know where abouts you are, I'm also west coast but grew up in the central belt. We weren't allowed into Glasgow by ourselves until we were about 13 I think and only in a group of friends and within the city centre. That was for my whole friend group, not just me.

I would say the walking to school could probably have happened sooner but I don't know what her walk to school is like, we live very near the school with no major road crossing so DD is likely to be going herself (under supervision from a distance) once she is in primary 4 or so. Also, at school times there are plenty of other kids walking so she wouldn't be totally alone.

I think I would just go straight to the school and let them deal with the boy and his parents. If the dad is an arse and this would upset the mum then better to let a neutral third party deal with it. Tighten back up on phone privileges, remind her it is a privilege to have one.

How much have you spoken to her about consent/relationships? With DD we are fairly strict on stop means stop, ask before cuddles etc and allowing her to make important-to-her decisions to give her confidence in asserting her wants. We've had discussions about how she can say no to friends and them crying if she doesn't want to play is their responsibility so long as she hasn't been mean to them.

I can understand the panic and concern you are feeling which is why I'd let the school know and ask them to speak to both kids separately and the entire year/school in general about the legalities of sexting/sharing pictures and healthy relationship boundaries.

PineappleDanish · 25/01/2020 09:03

Also I'm unclear what this girl is being punished for. Not telling you? Receiving the messages?

keiratwiceknightly · 25/01/2020 09:05

Ah, I didn't see the grounding for a month thing. This is over the top, I think. I do think a few days at home, doing nice stuff with family and friends you know is a good idea.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 25/01/2020 09:06

FFS take the tracker off the phone. She'll just leave it somewhere sensible if she goes somewhere dodgy, then she's somewhere dodgy without being able contact anyone to get her out of trouble. And you wont have a clue

Pass the explicit messages to the school. Let them deal, they know. Its also you're quickest eay of checking out the boyf is who he says he is.

Tell your DD that you have no problem with her having a boyfriend. But anyone who tells your DD that they need to be a secret part of her life is dodgy. That assumes you dont go OTT if she has a Boyf, then youve justified in her head keeping him secret. That puts her at risk.

Yy to only going out with people you know. But meeting slmeone could be as simple as them coming in and introducing themselves.

Having the whole class on Instagram i dont think is that unusual. Its people you dont know thats a concern.

Atm you're so in control the only thing youre leaving her any control over is her food and her sexuality. You want her to be practicing getting things wrong with other aspects of her life not those.

AngelicInnocent · 25/01/2020 09:06

I think you have over done it with the punishment but if you must stick to it, make it very clear that the punishment is for not being honest and up front about what was going on.

As pp have said, it's a difficult time but I don't think most of your rules are too overprotective but I would suggest that this year is probably your last chance to get to know new friends parents. Let her go to friends houses on condition you drop her off and introduce yourself to the other parents. That way you know where she is and that it is definitely a school friend, not a random off the internet or an older boy who has told her not to tell.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 25/01/2020 09:08

You grounded her for a month for having a boyfriend?

Its the boyfriend who has done something wrong not her.

Give your head a massive wobble

RJnomore1 · 25/01/2020 09:11

I too don’t think your rules are necessarily overly strict but your reaction is not good. You seem to think you are “not that type of family” and your daughter has let you down and this will be coming over strongly to her. She needs you to talk calmly, explain your concerns and most of all not make her feel like she has failed you. This is a self esteem issue. She’s not convinced in herself enough to stand up to him and if you inadvertently persuade her she’s not good enough - which is what you are doing by blaming her for things he has done - she’s more likely to slide further into passive relationship roles.

For the record I have two late teen daughters and have spent years working with schools and I live in Scotland in a town an hour on the train from the city - the sad thing is what you describe is really not unusual. Even at 11/12 or younger. Doesn’t make it right obviously but she’s not the only one in her class this will be happening with right now.

Cambionome · 25/01/2020 09:13

Tell the school - pastoral care and head of year. I am a pastoral manager and we deal with this sort of thing quite often. It's also a good idea to regularly look at her phone - she has to hand it over to you once a week, otherwise she has to go back to a basic old handset. You are the adult here, you set the rules.

Branleuse · 25/01/2020 09:15

I think banning her from speaking to him is reasonable. Maybe having a chat with the school, and some big talks with her, but apart from that, I think you might be shocked at how secondary school kids actually talk to each other. I dont think you can keep her on lockdown

Earslaps · 25/01/2020 09:17

Don't punish your daughter for receiving explicit messages and having a boyfriend.

Instead, you need to have a chat about healthy relationships- how boyfriends shouldn't tell you what to do, how to behave if they send you explicit messages, that you have a choice over your own body and don't have to kiss/touch to impress them or your friends.

If the messages are concerning you are better off informing the school, who will be best placed to deal with this. A lot of parents would just punish and not talk about why the messages were wrong etc. Same for the group WhatsApp- don't be visibly horrified, use it as a chance to talk about sexualised and misogynistic language and why it's not ok. Give her the tools to challenge it. Teens will always use bad language to look big and clever, but talk about how unacceptable misogyny/homophobia etc are.

Your daughter was in the wrong to hide her phone, delete messages etc, so taking action on that is entirely appropriate. You could take her phone away for a while (at the same time allowing her only to be a school and friends' houses where you know the parents and do drop off /collection - she can't be anywhere where you can't easily contact each other). Then reiterate the phone rules and strictly enforce them, especially not having it in her room at night.

Then perhaps allow her a little more freedom, bit by bit. With careful checking of her phone etc.

celebratingrita · 25/01/2020 09:18

You can't recover deleted messages. What messages do you still have? I would pass those on to the school and explain others were deleted. Its likely your DD will deny it if questioned and they can only go on the evidence but at least they will be aware.

lyralalala · 25/01/2020 09:18

I've been guilty in the past of threatening grounding but never actually doing it. So I need to mean business this time. I may be strict with rules but I don't think I have been strict enough with punishments.

Why are you punishing her?

You need to be very clear on that. Is your reaction because she has a boyfriend, because she kept it from you or because he sent her inappropriate messages?

This a huge moment for you, how you handle this will shape a lot of how you and your DD communicate over things going forward.

What has she actually done to merit being grounded? Other than not confiding in you what has she actually done wrong? And is not feeling that confiding in you was something she could, or wanted to do, punishable?

You can back down from grounding her in a constructive way, and I really think you should.

Sit her down, tell her that you were shocked and reacted instinctively

Explain to get that your gut reaction to protect her was to keep her home with you, hence grounding. However, now you’ve thought about it and calmed down you’ve realised you have to work with her to open the lines of communication between you so that this doesn’t happen again

I would urge you strongly to fight your instinct and use just logic to deal with this. The biggest danger to your DD will be isolation and not being able to confide in you - you need to get that communication open between you

Trust me, as someone who got it wrong with their then 12yo I wish I could go back and take back the punishment angle because all I want now is my 16yo to talk to me and she won’t because she worries I’ll react strongly.

SabineSchmetterling · 25/01/2020 09:19

You seem to be certain that this boy is only 12. If your daughter is in S1 then she will be turning 12 before the end of next month so we are talking about two children who are likely in the same year at school. They are at exactly the age where lots of children do start having boyfriends/girlfriends and saying sexually explicit things to each other. They need to be warned about sexting and the potential ramifications and told that this isn’t appropriate but some of the reactions here seem very extreme.
This isn’t grooming, it’s children testing out their sexuality. This is exactly the age when many of them become obsessed with talking about sex and searching for porn. They don’t fully understand it all yet despite being full of hormones.
By all means speak to the school and his mum but for heaven’s sake, please don’t harass the boy. He’s 12, not some dangerous predator. The controlling behaviour is worrying and part of a wider problem of society treating possessive and unhealthy behaviour as if it is romantic. Have a word with his mum and maybe she can talk to him about it.