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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

OP posts:
Weetabollocks · 25/01/2020 00:27

Obv I went ape shit.

The thing is, that's not going to help convince her to open up to you.

I'd take a deep breath, tell her you'e sorry for going ape shit and that it was because you were scared and worried for her.

School needs to know. Ring boy's parents and as others have said be factual.

This grounding her, banning her etc, it's a prime strategy to get her to sneak off to see him behind your back. Or if it does succeed, she's going to get smarter at hiding the next, worse boyfriend from you. Good, respectful communication with her in large quantities woulds be a better approach I feel. You want your daughter to know that you've got her back and she can trust you with her worries and secrets. The alternative is pretty grim xxx

SnoozyLou · 25/01/2020 00:29

I don't think you're being unreasonable. She's only 11. However, I wouldn't call his parents, provided it stopped here, and I think calling the police is OTT.

I think with a child of that age you shouldn't have to be "sneaking" in her room to get her phone. I'd make it a condition of her having a phone that you can inspect it, and this is exactly why. I know someone who whose daughter was being groomed by a gym instructor by email. It does go on, and I would be wary. She didn't want you to see it because she knew it was wrong.

3girlsmama · 25/01/2020 00:30

You are NOT being too protective or 'controlling'! just normal, concerned parenting I'd say. I have twin 11 year old DD's (not in UK so still in junior school) and they walk to school (5 mins) but don't get public transport alone or go to random houses of people we don't know!. They will only get phones at the end of this year. I would be horrified at the boyfriend situation and receiving messages like that is way beyond what kids that age should have to handle. I hope you can get some advice on dealing with this.

Yolande7 · 25/01/2020 01:00

What would worry me most is that she is not telling you anything. My 12 and 13 year old daughters do everything you don't allow your daughter and we live in London! You need to build trust with your daughter and in order to do so, she needs more freedom and you need to start talking to her and LISTEN. At the same time you need to teach her how to handle situations she inevitably will come into. Locking her up doesn't solve the problem as you can see.

A big risk factor is unmonitored access to a phone. She is way too young to handle this. She should also have to hand in her phone at night and you need to talk to her about what is save and appropriate.

"Having a boyfriend" at that age mostly means they don't even hold hands. That does not seem to be the here. Depending on what those messages are, I would inform school's safeguarding so they know what is going on and/or contact the parents. Keep in mind that both of them are learning and are very young. He might get most of his information from internet porn, so most likely he is not a 12 year old predator, but a confused little boy who thinks this is normal. How you are going to handle this could massively impact this boy and your future relationship to your daughter, so I would think hard about your reaction.

In case the boy send sexual images beware that having images of a minor on a phone is a criminal offence, even if that minor sends them to another minor.

Yolande7 · 25/01/2020 01:11

Sorry, I only just realised there were more posts.

I would bring this up with school and the boy's parents. I would also stop your daughter from using Whatsapp. She is too young for sm. I would give her more freedom in real life though, gradually of course, and I would work hard at establishing a more open and trusting relationship with her.

tweedler · 25/01/2020 01:14

Op, she is your child, you are her advocate. Parent as you wish (I don't think you sound too strict at all). Do what is necessary.

I would be calling his parents and be down there as soon as possible for a chat.

Savingshoes · 25/01/2020 01:19

YANBU. If I was the twelve year old male's parent, I would want to know ASAP what my son had been doing.
I can't correct his behaviour if I know nothing about it.

ActualHornist · 25/01/2020 01:27

I think going ballistic and threatening to ground her will only mean she hides things like this in the future.

I don’t disagree with your rules as such, but if you haven’t already I would urge you now you’re a bit calmer to talk to her again (maybe wait till tomorrow tho!) maybe take her out for a hot chocolate and explain that you’re sorry you blew up, it’s because you were upset that she’s being spoken to like that, especially by someone who claims to ‘love’ her. Talk to her about respect in relationships and how the language he is using is completely inappropriate, not just because of her age but just in general.

I also think you should talk to his parents. Taking a wild punt about the sexually explicit language he is using, I would say that he’s having far too much unsupervised time on the internet and this is a real safeguarding issue.

Wingedharpy · 25/01/2020 01:41

I'm with ActualHornist on this.

Definitely speak to DD tomorrow when you've had chance to mull it over and feel more calm.

I too would speak to the boy's parents.

It could be he is watching porn or, he may have older brothers and he is learning this sort of language from them - either way, it needs stopping now before he gets to an age whereby his messages have extremely serious, lifelong consequences for him.

RealLifeHotWaterBottle · 25/01/2020 02:06

There's a middle ground here where you can protect her whilst still giving her the tools to think for herself/mature into a responsible young adult without going apeshit when she does confide in you.

If the sexual content concerns you then absolutely contact his parents and the school.

I would take some time though to think about whether you think punishing her this way will make her consider what she should have done differently and whether its the best way to encourage her to come to you again for advice/tell you what's going on

wibdib · 25/01/2020 07:54

I’d go about it a bit differently - start by talking to best froend’s Mum (assuming you know her reasonably well) and see what she thinks of her nephew - and whether it’s worth talking to the parents or if it’s what he has learnt from home so just talking to school and local police.

I would also ask your dd for an exact breakdown of their ‘relationship’ and specifically how quickly it jumped to him asking her to do stuff, dictating which friends she could see and when the explicitly/sexy stuff started and what her initial reactions were to it and why she felt she needed to comply...

Then turn it into a chat about what would have happened if she had told him not to play with child x or y, or to do a, b or c? Would he have listened to her or ignored her, threatened her (even just with breaking up) or told her that she didn’t get to dictate to him? And (assuming he would not have taken it well) asked why he and she thought it acceptable that he had the right to be in charge... leading to a discussion about rights and control and so on.

I would talk to the school about two safeguarding aspects - personally to your dd and generally about the way that all the boys treat the girls (based on this, and the chat on the WhatsApp group) - and get them to talk to the year in general about treating everybody well and how to behave in relationships, coercive control etc as well as dangers of sexting and online safety etc.

Rezie · 25/01/2020 08:06

Your rules are fine but your reaction was not. "Obv I went apeshit" is not the obvious response. I personally think that a discussion and explanation and getting to the bottom of this would be more productive for the future.

ALLMYSmellySocks · 25/01/2020 08:11

I think your overly controlling parenting is closing all doors of communication between your DD and yourself and she's going to start lying to you and not asking you for help as she knows you'll massively over react. If you gave your DD more freedom and treated her like a normal high school child she may have come to you before now and told you about the boyfriend and this whole thing could have been handled earlier before going so far.

Mandarinfish · 25/01/2020 08:19

I have a 12yo DD and I would be horrified by this too.

I think the most important thing is to stop letting her have her phone overnight in her room. It should be downstairs.

But I agree with other posters that you seem over protective in some ways (coming home from school alone etc) and maybe she is reacting against that a bit.

Time to sit down with her and have a big chat. Ask what she thought of the messages?

IndecentFeminist · 25/01/2020 08:23

Overly controlling? She's 11! None of what the OP describes sounds at all unusual to me

SubordinateThatClause · 25/01/2020 08:26

As a parent I would be Shockas well. My question would be around the sex education these kids have had. So many youngsters 'learn' about sex from online porn these days. That may well be what forms the basis of his messages. He needs conversations around that. Talk to your DD about safety online and self-respect in relationships. With social media it gets out of hand very quickly.

Frenchw1fe · 25/01/2020 08:27

Going ape shit over something this serious is imo the wrong reaction. When my two were growing up serious things were discussed calmly and without blame.
Have a sensible measured chat with your dd about boys, boundaries and self esteem. She has not done anything to deserve the reaction you have had, it will likely be counter productive.

butterflywings37 · 25/01/2020 08:28

I'm shocked at the posts saying OP is overreacting- her daughter is 11- - child! She is getting sexually explicit messages and requests to take part in sexual acts, this is illegal and a huge safeguarding concern.

I would speak to the boys parents and to school so they can incorporate more sex Ed lessons and keeping safe

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 25/01/2020 08:29

I'm not surprised she's hiding things from you. You punished her because her boyfriend sent her some messages. And punishing her far too harshly. You are going to end up pushing her away.

This, you are not too strict, however your reaction is way OTT, have you not realised she’s keeping thing from you because of your reaction, it’s exactly why she’s keeping things from you!

You need to allow her to grow independence, she won’t get that if you micromanage her.

Bluewater1 · 25/01/2020 08:29

I would inform the school. I would encourage DD to know that she can talk to you about anything and support her to know exactly what to do if she receives any messages ( from friends etc) that she doesn't feel 100% comfortable with. I would check her phone regularly.

crochetandshit · 25/01/2020 08:40

I don't think your rules are overly strict.
I started taking my 11yo on the bus to town (no train here) making her responsible or letting me know when to get off, showing me how to get into town from bus station and back again, getting her to read the timetable etc so when she started going with friends I was confident she'd be ok if separated.
I did understand I wouldn't know all the parents once at secondary but we did drop off and pick up at friends houses and I would introduce myself.

BUT you are describing your dd being groomed to lie and be secretive and you have punished her for this which is totally the wrong thing to do imo.
I would report to school and his parents, check her phone daily (at different times with no pattern and no longer allow it in her room overnight) and encourage her female friendships heavily for a while.

AhNowTed · 25/01/2020 08:40

I agree with others. Your reaction was way over the top.

Rather than sit her down and talk to her, you punished her harshly!

Grounded for a month... for what??

LolaSmiles · 25/01/2020 08:40

From your post, I feel suffocated and I'm not an 11 year old whose started secondary school and trying to find their feet.
It's not that some of your rules are wrong, it's that your whole tonr and approach gives the impression of someone very overbearing.

Based on working with 11/12 year olds, you're risking creating the conditions where your DD will become secretive and not talk to you. You need to think "if my child found herself in a tricky situation would she open up to me if she know I've lost it over smaller things?"

If the messages were sexually explicit then I would contact the school as that is a safeguarding concern suggesting age inappropriate sexual awareness and/or exposure to inappropriate sexual material.

memberofseven · 25/01/2020 08:43

My daughter is 11 and I do t think you are being strict in the slightest. My experience is that the majority of her friends have similar boundaries in place. Freedom comes quickly, once you see allowed to catch the train you want to do it all the time. I spent my teens hanging around shopping malls talking to boys (generally about 5 years older than me). Makes me shudder now. So my daughter can go to the mall with her friends but I go shopping whilst I'm there too. She can go to the cinema alone but I drop her off and another parent collects her. It's all very different from eg a necessity of having to walk or catch a bus to school (but I do t allow that either!). From what I can see with a few exceptions most people are parenting like me. I drive her to school as it's on my way anyhow and the buses are very expensive inn my area.

My dd has a phone. She has TikTok too and WhatsApp. I check it all the time and she knows that is part of being allowed a phone. I was quite relieved to see that she just removed herself from chat where the language was a bit fruity.

It's really important at this age to keep your kids busy. Mine gets loads of homework and we are an academic house so she often gets me to look at what she is doing. Loads of sport particularly at the weekend. Encourage lots of after school clubs and having friends over. By keeping her very busy I limit the amount of time on the phone. Interestingly I see a real decline in the quality of her school work coupled with an increase in screen time. I'm sure come 12,13,14 I will have other challenges but 11 is very young for what is happening here. Good luck. Keep talking to her.

Tombliwho · 25/01/2020 08:45

Yet again, girl gets punished for behaviour of boy.

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