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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

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CodenameVillanelle · 24/01/2020 22:49

She may delete the messages now. You should screenshot and send them to yourself.

I don't know why you are punishing DD for this. It's hardly likely to make her open up to you in future is it? And you should have had a better handle on her phone well before this. Excuses when asked to hand it over were a red flag. She should leave her phone downstairs or in your bedroom at night to charge. Kids of 11 shouldn't keep their phones with them at night!

The most important thing is that you help her see that this boy treated her very badly and she hasn't done anything wrong.

bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:53

DD showed me a picture of her with the boy and his arm around her. He's definitely 12. Looks much younger than DD.

To PPs - we always get to know the parents before DD goes there. If she needed to get a train somewhere, we would practice the route, she's been walking to school for a year, starting in P7, which is what I meant by recently, she has a tracker on her phone because it helps us see where she is when we do gradually introduce a bit more independence.

A relative's DD was parented entirely the opposite of how DD is parented and is 16yo unemployed and pregnant.

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gamerwidow · 24/01/2020 22:53

Tell his parents if they are responsible people they will care about having the chance to educate him about appropriate behaviour.
I don’t think your rules are over zealous either but maybe you need to think a bit more about how you explain these to your DD. It probably feels like your saying no to be controlling for the sake of it to her rather than you being concerned for her safety. It’s hard though, she’s only 11.

EmmiJay · 24/01/2020 22:53

I think OP is fair. The child knows shes been doing wrong by hiding messages or whatever with this boy. Shes charging ahead and wanting to do things sooner rather than later (train rides without adults?!) Shes trying to keep her 11yr old safe. Call the parents and inform them. He is also still a child and shouldn't be sending anything explicit!

Starlight456 · 24/01/2020 22:56

I think you have to find a balance with secondary school children .

By 18 they could leave home so there is a stepping stone to independence.

I found first year of high school some shocking things . Some children did some very inappropriate things. My Ds learned my response was to discuss it . Praise him for walking away.

I didn’t ban him from certain children . I wanted to. Gave him tools to cope . Saw people smoking weed. Didn’t know what to do . Phoned me for advice ...

The bunking off couldn’t happen in our school ... I did plenty in my day . Need a pass to go to the toilet.

The boyfriend depends what you mean by been sexually explicit.

bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 23:01

They are very explicit messages, that would be awful from an adult, let alone an 11yo boy.

I also know I'm not the only parent in the group of parents I know who is this protective of their child and DD certainly won't be this protected forever, but it needs to be gradual, not start high school and bam! complete independence! Eg I've offered to take her shopping in the city to give her some experience of the train etc but definitely not alone at this point in time.

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Isadora2007 · 24/01/2020 23:01

And she will be nearly 12. As a January birthday myself I wouldn’t have said I acted any younger than the others in my year.
You’ve said explicit. But what exactly? And what was dd gaining from the relationship? What did she think about his controlling etc? You want to help her become a critical thinker... and gain independence. So perhaps start by allowing a train trip with you on the same journeys but not with her- in another carriage and then on same return journey etc. Friends whose parents you don’t know- that’s fine too- she needs to learn to use her own judgement etc. Or you are going to be holding her back.

Isadora2007 · 24/01/2020 23:02

And she hasn’t just started high school- she is half way through first year 🙄

Nanny0gg · 24/01/2020 23:02

A relative's DD was parented entirely the opposite of how DD is parented and is 16yo unemployed and pregnant.

Oh well. Case proved.

I was considered an over-protective parent but I was nowhere near as much as you. And loosening the reins a little will not result in a teenage pregnancy.

Making her hide things from you on the other hand...

MrsTumbletap · 24/01/2020 23:03

I think it depends on the messages. What type of thing are we talking here? "I wanna grab your boob?" Probably nothing to worry about. Worse than that, different story. He may be saying explicit things but not really know what they mean.

Although the average age to see porn now is 12, so I do worry.

JKScot4 · 24/01/2020 23:03

OP, my DD14 is in S3(Scotland too) I’ll be honest you are very controlling and this is why you’re DD is hiding things from you. You’ve only started letting her walk to school, ferry her everywhere, she’s not allowed to breathe 🙄 Does she go anywhere without you?
The situation with the boy is upsetting but how naive to say you can’t believe it’s happened?? It’s incredibly common, she’s hardly been groomed by a 50 yr old, you really need to calm down, yes she’s 11 but she is in S1 and that’s the way kids look at it, my DD doesn’t say oh such n such is 13,14 just S3 or S4.
Talk to her about boundaries, speak to his mum but not a going mad way, just make her aware and loosen the apron strings.

bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 23:07

He's describing things he wants to do to my DD, things he wants to see and things he wants to show.

I am going to go to bed and check MN tomorrow

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MumW · 24/01/2020 23:16

They are very explicit messages, that would be awful from an adult, let alone an 11yo boy
This is a huge safeguarding red flag both for your DD and for the boy who may himself be being abused.

I'd take it to the school and probably the police - although the school will involve the relevant authorities.

guessmyusername · 24/01/2020 23:29

OP I was you with my 13 yo dd, except the boy, a good friends cousin (!) was 18. I found out one day when she told me she was going out with another friend who I had met and would be home at a certain time. When she didn't arrive home I started phoning / messaging her & got no reply. Went to the house of the friend she was supposed to be with (didn't have her number) and she knew nothing. Eventually dd arrived home. She had been to see a movie with said boyfriend and had her phone switched off. I went mad because she had lied to me. I took her phone off her and discovered messages including "don't tell your parents they wont understand" and other suggestive messages about what they were going to do in the cinema. My dh wanted to go to the police. Your situation is slightly different in the age of the boy. My dd was grounded, except for school so she was unable to meet up with him. He was blocked on her phone after telling him a few choice words including find someone your own age. A month later and dd admitted that she didn't really like him and had no interest in him any more.

I kind of wonder where he is getting this from, but never been the mother of a boy. I would be talking to his parents / school because he needs to learn appropriate behaviour.

AliMonkey · 24/01/2020 23:32

OP - ignore those telling you that you're really strict and controlling. I've had the same on here, because I check in on my DCs every so often if they are in their rooms and don't allow them to spend hours on end in their rooms on their own.

Your rules seem similar to mine for my DS12 and DD14:

I have let them go to friends' houses where we didn't know the parents, but (a) always after exchanging messages with the parents confirming details, or (b) if in a small group of friends where we know some of the friends quite well (and basically know they are sensible kids therefore won't do anything daft and on theory that, in a group, iffy parents are not such an issue). Never yet had either of them just eg text to say "going to X after school" or ask to go to a big party so not sure what I'd do then.

Re travelling to city when not used to it and walking to school on her own, you're right to build up to things like that by first doing them with your child and making sure they know the routes and what do do if things go wrong. Was actually very impressed by DS the other day when his usual route home was blocked by a closed footpath and he and his friend found another route down unfamiliar roads but heading in the right direction. A year ago, I think he would have panicked at that.

Rules about home by X and not going to certain places are obvious, surely every parent does that, even if the exact boundaries are different?

Our whole family has tracker (Find a Friend) on phones, it makes sense, so we know where people are, when they are likely to be home, etc. Also means DC can't moan that we can tell where they are (at least if their phone is on).

And on your original question, of course it's right to be concerned - tbh, I'd be concerned enough about a boyfriend at age 11, but explicit messages lost him the "right" to contact her. I know it happens these days, but it doesn't mean it should and certainly inappropriate at that age, which is still very much a child and I personally would report to his school. Somehow we need to make sure that our DDs have enough respect for themselves to not accept that as OK.

figandmaple16 · 24/01/2020 23:32

I understand growing up in Scotland why you would be so protective of your daughter!! I live here too Grin
In a way, I don't think you are being over protective. I would want to do all in my will power to stop that!!
However, my partner grew up with a father that always went though his phone and gave him very little to no privacy. He did however get to hang out with friends and go to another city etc (he has a massive family and literally everyone knew everyone where he is from).. Anyhow, this lack of privacy, or invasion of privacy did not do him any favours in his relationships as he got older. By his own admission.
I feel like you are doing the right thing - how else would you have found out about those inappropriate messages!? However, this is something she could not talk to you about. She is hiding secrets from you, and it won't be the last if your relationship dynamic doesnt change. Rebellion could also get worse, since this is the start, or worse things will get better but she could resent you as she grows older for all the 'injustices' she could be perceiving.
I think total honesty is the way to go here. At this age they want to be adults, do their own thing, go places with their friends and have experiences. Talk to her like an adult, treat her a bit more like an adult. Have trust in her and she will return the trust.
It all seems to be a load of BS what I'm writing I'm sure, I am an overprotective mum of one boy and I follow him around the soft play area making sure he is ok. Teenagers are different, sure, but you definitely can't protect them forever, and not teaching them how to cope in the world full of this kind of stuff can't be good either.
You are doing a great job, absolutely. And you are on here knowing you need a change in strategy so I wish you all the absolute best, you are a great parent for just being on here and trying your absolute best.
BIG hugs and I hope you guys get it sorted! X

Wildorchidz · 24/01/2020 23:34

So you are very strict with what she can do and where she can go and who she can see but you gave her a phone and never set up rules about its use? I think you need to look at your own responsibility for this.

BetsyBigNose · 24/01/2020 23:35

Hi @bonnie1981, I have a 12 year old daughter and she's one of the youngest on her year too (England, Yr 8) and I too have been concerned by some of the language her classmates use on various Whatsapp group chats.

When she got a phone for her 11th birthday, the main rules we implemented were that she had to have a tracker on the phone (and leave it switched on at all times - we use Life360) and that DH or I would be regularly checking her phone (I usually do this when she's in bed as we leave it charging in the kitchen), so she was not allowed to change the PIN code to unlock it.

These rules have worked well for us for the last 18 months, and knowing that I would be checking her phone anyway, she came to me when the Whatsapp messages started to contain inappropriate language and themes and we were able to deal with it between us. She's now confident enough to simply block people if they message anything offensive.

In an ideal world, you would have already been regularly checking her phone (I'm not going to continue to do this forever - I do appreciate that the time will come when she'll want and need some more privacy), but I would certainly suggest that you make that a condition of her keeping her phone going forward.

I'm totally with you on the tracker - my DD walks the 45 mins to and from school, so I think it's important to be able to check she's arrived safely. I can also see if she's left school later than usual, so I don't have to panic if she's a bit late home!

I think contacting this boy's parents is a good idea. If it were the other way around, I'm sure you would want to know what your DD had been up to. His parents need to speak with him and find out where he's getting the idea that it's okay to text an 11 year old sexually explicit messages - perhaps someone inappropriate has sent similar to him? His parents should have all the facts so they can keep their child safe. I wouldn't personally involve the Police, as long as I felt the boy's parents had taken my concerns seriously.

I would speak to your DD to find out if she's taken and/or sent any revealing photos of herself. How I explained it to my daughter is to consider that any photo she takes (even if she doesn't send it to anyone, cos someone could borrow her phone for something and come across it and send it on) could potentially end up being printed, poster-sized, and pinned up all over school, all over bus shelters around the city, her friends and siblings could see it and it could end up on the internet - there for all eternity for all to see. Dramatic much?! Yes, but it got the message across!

I think you should tread gently with your DD over this. All she's done is fallen for her 'first crush' and been texting with him - you said yourself that her replies weren't inappropriate. You don't mention that you'd put any rules in place about how much of what's on her phone she was supposed to be sharing with you, so I don't think she's done anything wrong by not telling you in this instance.

I would sit down with her and give her a cuddle. Apologise for overreacting (a teeny bit!) and explain that you just want her to be safe. Ask her what rules she thinks would be suitable and work with her to put them in place, so she feels she's involved, rather than being dictated to. I would lift the grounding on the understanding that she follows these new rules.

I agree that an hour on the train without an adult is too much at 11. Perhaps you could get the same train but sit away from her and her friends, then they can have a wander round the city centre and let you know when she's ready to go home and you can meet her at the station? We've been letting our DD walk into the city centre and back with a friend since she turned 12 - but it's less than a 10 minute walk from our house and we live in a small, safe city.

She's going to be pushing the boundaries - she's at that age I'm afraid, but pick your battles and try to compromise where you can and save the heavy-handed approach for when she's 15 and wants to sleep over at her boyfriend's house! Wink

Rosebel · 24/01/2020 23:36

I'm not surprised she's hiding things from you. You punished her because her boyfriend sent her some messages. And punishing her far too harshly. You are going to end up pushing her away.
You need to ease up about friends and letting her go out. My daughter is 11, autistic and we live in a city but she has more freedom than this.
It's hard to say if the messages are that bad but if so call his parents.At this stage I wouldn't contact anyone else. At least see what his mum says.

GrandTheftWalrus · 24/01/2020 23:39

I would tell the boys mother and if anything happens to your dd as a result then inform the school. I mean the boy bullying her etc.

You also need to start letting her loose a bit as thats possibly why she didnt tell you.

I'm also wondering where you are to live an hour from a city on a train in scotland. But unless she has to change trains then surely it's a straightforward A-B and back? There is the scotrail app to check times etc.

BorneoBabe · 24/01/2020 23:39

You aren't being too strict. She's eleven, not sixteen. Her online activities need to be monitored. Phone and Internet access should be in the family area. The other restrictions are all age appropriate, IMO. Again, if she were sixteen, I'd say you were being over the top, but not with an eleven-year-old.

I second contacting the school and/or police about the messages if they are that explicit. If your daughter blocks him, he'll just do it to another girl, and it could possibly escalate.

Wildorchidz · 24/01/2020 23:44

Do you know if the children have sent sexual images to each other?

Laserbird16 · 24/01/2020 23:53

I don't think you are being unreasonable for having rules that are there to ensure her safety but I do think you missed an opportunity here.

It sounds like you flipped out at your daughter for having a boyfriend and his behaviour. Admittedly I don't know all the details but rather than punishing her, have you talked to her about why you are concerned?

I would be discussing why his 'don't tell your parents' instruction and his trying to control who she sees is concerning. It's proto-controling. Let's extrapolate to when she is 25 if her partner was doing this it would be a sign of domestic abuse. Teach your daughter now to recognise what a healthy relationship looks like. This bozo will be gone soon but you want to ensure how you handle this doesn't drive a wedge between you and your her. She is entering a really confusing important time of life. Make sure she knows you are in her corner and she can tell you anything.

I'd want to meet this bozo too and his parents. Know what you are dealing with. Maybe he is just a 12 year old with no fricking clue and reasonable parents. Perhaps he thinks this is what a relationship is and you can all discuss why we don't try to control our partners or treat them like possessions. Maybe he is your worst nightmare, who can say.

Going to the police is frankly ridiculous but building your daughter up so she doesn't accept the first dick that pays attention to her is within your power.

Skittlesandbeer · 25/01/2020 00:12

I am gobsmacked at some of the ‘loosen the reigns on the poor girl!’ responses on here. You’ve all gotta be kidding.

I think you’ve given her exactly the right balance, OP, considering she’s with older kids in her year. You’ve thought it through carefully, been clear with her and offered steps towards further independence.

It’s blown up in your face (and hers).

She’s shown that she’s not ready for the independence, privacy and peer pressure in her life. Time to start back at square one. Much stricter controls on phone time, where she’s on it and what apps, etc. Approach the school with feedback that their electronic devices policies need review and a rethink.

And of course put the fear of god into that boy. Hopefully his parents will do it for you, but be prepared to take it on if they won’t. Call and alert them, ask them to call you back when they’ve done their investigations at their end. Tell them when they’re ready, you’d like to discuss ‘next steps’. Imply police and ongoing community scandal if they sound like they might downplay it. Only a nuclear reaction from them would slow me down. Your DD will thank you one day.

Lord, I am so afraid of this happening. Heading back to school this week (Oz) and no doubt loads more kids with internet-enabled, no controls phones from Santa. At 9yo. Everyone shifting the blame when violent porn gets shown in the playground.

celebratingrita · 25/01/2020 00:13

I'd recommend calling the nspcc for advice, it would really benefit you to talk through with a trained professional on how to handle with your dd.

Id also report the sexually explicit/harmful messages. The school would have to act under safeguarding rules.

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