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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

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Dieu · 25/01/2020 09:46

You need to go to the Safeguarding Lead (usually the Headteacher) of their school, as this is a safeguarding concern.
And be mindful that if such a thing were to happen to your daughter again, she needs to know she can come and talk to you about it. If you go mental and ground her for a month, this isn't likely to happen.

IdblowJonSnow · 25/01/2020 09:48

Please dont ground her for a month. That's way over the top.
All kids lie, especially when they have strict parents.
I'd give things a week to settle down and sit down and have a chat as to how things will move forward. Focus on your relationship with your daughter and communication.
The sexual messages must have been a horrible shock but she didn't reply did she so dont blame her for that.
I'm so thankful not to have grown up in the era of phones and social media.
I have 2 dds and have all this to look forward to. Shock

seymoursmyman · 25/01/2020 09:49

Personally, I think you need to get your mind set away from digging your daughter for information. Heading into a conversation this way usually does not end well. Even if you try to cover it, she will sense what you are up to.
I agree with others that you need to offer her support rather than be focused on appropriate punishment.
Something that worked well for me to reinforce with my daughter was this. Never put anything out into the world as a text or image, no matter who it is intended for that she wouldn't be comfortable sitting down and explain to her Gran.
Helping her to understand what her own boundaries should be is always good too.
And remember, make sure you give her the opportunity to talk too, be aware you should be trying to have a conversation not a lecture.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 25/01/2020 09:50

First thing you need to do is apologise to your daughter. If you want her to be open with you then you can't punish her for someone else's behaviour. Say what you like but you have done all this because someone else is sending her sexually explicit messages and you're terrified.

She's 11. A child. She's not equipped to deal with this. And you going apeshit at her for something someone else is doing is not helping her. Of course she lied. Because she was in over her head and didn't know how to handle it, and didn't want to ask you for help for fear of you reacting exactly like you did.

She is a child. He is a child. You are the adults and it is up you to manage a situation that is too big for children to handle.

I don't know what you can do about him, but you need to back off a little a talk to your daughter. She is only 11 years old. She is in no way equipped for adult life, yet it is being thrown at her because of smart phones, and social media, and easy access to cameras, file sharing etc.

I cannot stress enough. She is ONLY 11. It is your job to keep an eye on herand protect her. She's not old enough, mature enough, worldly wise enough yet to do that for herself.

You are scared because you now know what is possible to be shares amongst kids with smart phones. That's not your child's fault. But imagine how scared she is receiving things that she is not ready for, and realistically shouldn't be ready for for another 6 or 7 years.

PineappleDanish · 25/01/2020 09:51

But OP, going to the cinema and pool with your friends is exactly what S1 children do. And if it involves a short train journey then that's the perfect opportunity to develop independence for your DD and a couple of her friends. Drop her at the station, off they pop to the pool, then text when they're on their way home and you collect. Every single S1 parent I know would allow this. Not alone perhaps and maybe not on a Friday/Saturday night but definitely during the day.

Similarly going to Braehead/Silverburn - what usually happens here is that one parent will collect 2 or 3 other kids, ferry them over, drop them and leave. The girls spend all afternoon in Primark and then another parent collects them.

Agree with others that it's really obvious why your DD doesn't appear to want to confide in you.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 09:52

Quite honestly, I'd be very concerned about the 12 year old boy; if he's this sexually explicit, there may be abuse going on in the home. My DB was like this, he had been groomed by our F and others to sexually abuse my DSis and me, and a few of our friends and encouraged his friends to do the same. He was also abused himself (not by our F), I witnessed it on one occasion.

You should definitely report this. The police will without doubt involve SS, who will investigate what's going on. If it's just the case that he's a hormonal 12 year old, then it will be just a case of a warming that it's illegal to send sexually explicit images of a child under 16.

I'm saying this because my DB is as a result of this seriously mentally damaged and it's totally destroyed his life. He didn't grow up to be an abuser himself, but he has images in his head of what he went through, as I used to as well, because all three of us repressed the memories. My DB's memories haven't come back (or he hasn't told us if he does now remember) and he can't be around my DDs or my DNepnews and DNiece.

It's a total tragedy. Hopefully it's not like that, but my DB's behaviour was just like that when he was 12. And if that is the case, if you report it, his mum will find out about it. My DM never knew, so she didn't have the chance to stop what was happening.

It's a separate matter where your DD is concerned, but it's obviously distressed her considerably. You need to calm down, as she hasn't done anything wrong really. You simply need to explain to her that what she's doing is inappropriate for her age and she was making herself vulnerable to being bullied online, through her photos being posted in a revenge porn attack on her.

FWIW, I think you are being somewhat overprotective towards your DD. My DD1 is 10 and has SEN and attachment issues, but I started letting her walk to school in September. (The school allows it from year 5, but there's a busy road to cross, so we didn't think she was ready.). Some people thought we were being overprotective.

I think your DD kept you in the dark, partly because you've been overprotective. She shouldn't ever be afraid to tell you what's going on. My siblings and I didn't tell our DM for this reason. She wasn't overprotective (the total opposite sadly), but she used to smack us when she was angry with us. We also had no reason to think that she would take our side against our F, who would of course have denied it to her. I used to shy away from him, understandably, and she told me off for hurting him, and never wondered why. Communication lines need to be open at all times and they won't be if y in your words 'go ape'.

Sorry it's such a long post, but it did give me alarm bells where the boyfriend is concerned in particular.

diddl · 25/01/2020 09:52

It seems to me that you are over protective in things that she should be doing-shopping with friends for example, but not enough in stuff such as sm safety!

She has lied but it's obvious why with the result that she didn't come to you for help when she absolutely should have done.

She's a child who has been sent sexually explicit messages & has had no idea how to handle it & thinks that she's in love with the sender!

Poor kid.

I think grounding for a month is far too much.

AhNowTed · 25/01/2020 09:53

You should be supporting her to give her the confidence to get away from this boy. Talk to her about how healthy relationships work.

Punishing her will only close her down. She'll never confide in you if you continue down this road.

bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 09:54

I'm heading to the gym soon. DD is still asleep. I will have a chat with her when she's awake and yes I'll try to be calmer whilst at the same time trying to get more info. DH is sitting opposite me looking worried sick Sad. We're both utterly devastated and also worried about DD at school next week.

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MrsBobDylan · 25/01/2020 09:55

I would be letting the boy's parents know about the messages and the school. But I think putting dd into punishment lockdown will make an already moody, secretive child feel further alienated.

I think you really need to get her to open up. Listen to her thoughts and feelings and rather than tell her she's wrong or you are disappointed or just want to keep her safe, perhaps talk about how relationships should be.

I think you need to gain her trust otherwise she will push back and as she gets older and more independent, you will find it harder to keep her safe.

almostfreeatlast · 25/01/2020 09:56

Haven’t RTFT but I do feel the way you’re punishing her for this is a bit extreme. I was doing similar (much much worse) at her age and my parents found out and punished me similarly but I think they should have spent more time trying to get to the root cause of WHY I was doing it and helping me rather than punishing and humiliating me. There has to be a reason for it - I don’t think happy and confident 11 year olds need to seek this sort of gratification from men.

Just my experience.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 25/01/2020 09:59

Dies the boy attend the same school?

bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 10:02

yes he does

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Mossyrock · 25/01/2020 10:02

I think that you should apologise for punishing her for someone else's actions. That's not OK and has the potential to damage your relationship for years to come. Make it a big, serious apology separate to all other issues.

Then get the police to check that this kid is 12. If he is 12, talk to to the safeguarding lead at the school.

Remove the phone until this is sorted.

Otherwise, I can't believe that you are being described as overprotective. The kid is 11! Being 'overprotective' and involved is how you came to be aware of this. You're doing your best. Take a deep breath, cut yourself some slack, do something nice with your dd.

Ionacat · 25/01/2020 10:03

Whether the messages are there are not, you must report this as a safeguarding concern to the school first thing on Monday morning. It is then up to them what they do with it.
Ask to speak to her head of year or whoever is in charge of safeguarding.

Secondary is tricky as you simply don’t see the parents of other pupils, so you aren’t going to get to know them. Asking for their contact details is reasonable, but more importantly is talking to your DD so she feels that she could tell you or what to do if she didn’t feel comfortable at a friend’s house. Do you feel you have this relationship?

I also feel your anger is down in part to your guilt about the phone. That should have been checked regularly and if it is dead then you insist it is plugged in and then checked. It’s okay to slip up - parenting preteens and teens is difficult and it is a minefield, but you need to acknowledge that.

There are some really good books out there - Get out of my life but first take me to the mall. I would do some reading and research before deciding on how controlling or not you are going to be.

BrieAndChilli · 25/01/2020 10:03

DD is 11 and her phone has to be charged downstairs overnight - she’s not allowed it in her room after bedtime. I then periodically check her (and 13 year old DS1) phones to see what sort of things are being messaged, photos, Instagram etc.
We can also track them in find my iPhone and they can track me and DH. Proved very useful when DS1 dropped his phone in a field with his friends - I was able to send a screen shot of exactly where it was and play a sound!
I think the not going to houses of friends you don’t know it a bit over the top as you can’t possibly know everyone like in primary school however if they are going to a new friends I get a parents number and text to check they are aware (and kids aren’t sneaking off somewhere else instead) and also when dropping off or parent dropping off at mine have a quick coffee and a Chat.

Mine don’t get the train into the city but I don’t think any of thier friends do either do it’s never come up as a thing. Parents round here are happy to taxi kids around though as well

My kids don’t have absolute freedom but I think you could do with some chats about relationships, self esteem and standing up for yourself. She needs to know that she holds half the power in a relationship and that if someone only likes her if she does stuff she is uncomfortable with then they aren’t worth it.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 10:04

One final thing to mention. My DM was totally devastated when we told her about it a few years; it broke her completely, and she bursts into tears whenever we talk about it. (That's quite annoying, but she is 80 years old now, although very active still.) You really don't want to end up in that position, blaming yourself for not knowing what was going on.

Not that anything so horrible will happen to your DD, but a lot of things could happen that she won't feel able to tell you about. (For example, a lot of teenagers hide pregnancies or have a termination behind their parents' backs.

I realise I sound harsh but it's because you're making a huge mistake in grounding your DD and punishing her. Yes she lied to you, but only because you've made her afraid to tell you. Do you think she'll tell you in the future what's happening? No of course not, she'll simply become more secretive.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 25/01/2020 10:05

Don't try to get more info

Just talk to her. Apologise to her. Tell her you completely overreacted but it was because you love her and got scared when you realised that she is getting older.

Do not push her to give you more information. Be kind to her. Let her know you are sorry. Let her know you love her. And let her know that you have made mistakes with her. Then let that settle. Let her think about it. Let her come to you. Reassure her throughout the weekend that you love her, and that you do trust her.

Give her reason to want to talk to you.

One thing I always tell my children is of they are ever worried, or upset about anything, to talk to someone. That someone doesn't have to be me or their dad. And if they don't want us to be told, then we don't have to be (unless it is something illegal!).

More often than not my kids will come to me. It might not be immediately, but eventually they'll come. Sometimes it'll be to tell me there was a problem but it's now sorted. Sometimes it will be something that has been bothering them for a while. But they are always encouraged to speak to some other adult if they feel they can't tell us. And (in general) it works.

GabsAlot · 25/01/2020 10:06

My parents wouldnt let me out until i was 12 unsupervised so i snuck out and lied about wher ei was going

i still wasnt grounded for a month

Your priorities are all wrong letting her have unsupervised internet access you think is ok its the world wide web thing about that

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 10:07

And I agree that you should apologise. You should also have been supervising her phone use; in that way you haven't been strict enough. That's probably one reason why you've been so angry with her.

Torchlightt · 25/01/2020 10:08

Leave the police out of this. They won't be interested or have time to get involved. You know his age - just check which year he's in.

yogo · 25/01/2020 10:09

How explicit were the messages? I'm asking in case you should left school know for safeguarding reasons etc.

yogo · 25/01/2020 10:10

Not asking you to repeat them, obviously.

Wildorchidz · 25/01/2020 10:10

What were the messages?
How explicit were they?

Armadilloboss · 25/01/2020 10:11

I think your rules and everything are reasonable, however, your reaction from this is completely unreasonable.
You have grounded your daughter, shouted at her, confiscated her phone and taken away her freedom.... for receiving messages! I understand they are inappropriate messages, but you say yourself, she did not reciprocate these.
This could have been a great opportunity for a girly chat of not allowing boys to make her feel uncomfortable or pressure her into things etc. In all honesty, if she does get bullied for this, it’s due to your reaction. And at 11. This is the beginning of the difficult years. You’ve just guaranteed she will never share secrets with you again or come to you with anything sensitive.

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