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Conflicted1212 · 23/01/2020 13:08

Share an office with a new team mate and I am her manager, earning more. There are a few of us in the office This is not important, but think it is to them. Thing is whenever I go to the shop I always Ask if anyone wants things. It’s polite and the norm is for the other person to give you money for their own food/drinks etc. This person does not, claiming they don’t carry cash and will bank transfer you the money. They don’t.

Every occasion they take but never pay. Numerous Examples but few are:

Few us coming back from an early meeting. Decided to stop off at the canteen for breakfast. Office mate didn’t have any money on them. I offered to pay and pay me back later. The said person ordered a big breakfast, juice and coffee. Bit expensive, but going to pay me back. They didn’t. Got back to office and said will give bank details. Person ignored abc still ignored.

Went to meeting in the coffee shop. I bought another colleagues drink as they were going to be late. Said team mate stood awkward in queue saying forgot to bring money and was I buying other person a drink. I asked what they wanted, and they ordered an expensive drink, I paid. Other person offered me money I said ok as you got me a coffee other day. Team mate awkwardly stared at their drink, nothing said

It cracked the other day over 80p crisps. Went to shop, asked if anyone wanted something. Colleagues asked for stuff, gave me money. Teammate asked for crisps, said no money on them. I said oh well you are saving calories (fed up paying). Teammate went in a huff and commented why I can’t just get them some crisis as it’s charitable and they know they are saving for a house. I replied I am not paying for their food All the time and not a charity. They then said why ask, if not going to get them. I said was polite. I calmly explained over the 3 months I have paid £50 in coffee and food for them. when they said would pay back. The odd thing doesn’t matter, and in most instances this work themselves out (I buy a coffee them they the next etc)but it’s too much now as you never offer. They are now in a huff and saying I am mean. I should be able to pay for a few team treats as I earn more and i know they are skint. they just came back from a swanking weekend.

Thing is, I am not materialistic and buy a team breakfast or cakes in our monthly meeting. these are team treats. I went to the shop the other day without asking anyone if they wanted something and I am now being told I am rude.

How do I get them to realise that they are taking the mickey. Told them, but they seem to think it’s unreasonable. This person is very religious and young. Not too sure if it’s this or they are a freeloader!

OP posts:
cstaff · 23/01/2020 15:05

I wouldn't let the team lunches stop because of one CF. It does seem a shame to let one person have this effect on a team who do not take the piss in this regard. I am not a manager but if I am going to the shop I would ask my colleagues if they wanted anything and they would either give me cash on the spot or if they forgot, as a once off it wouldn't bother me but the chances are the next time money was mentioned it would be remembered and handed back.

If she wants to go to the team lunches just make a point of saying that everyone is paying for themselves (once) and make sure that is what happens. If she can't afford it well so what - she cant afford it and doesn't go. That's life.

JustinesBentoBox · 23/01/2020 15:09

I don't think you've handled this very well at all op. It's something I'd have done as a new manager years ago though so I understand it comes from good intentions.

The best thing out of this is a bit of managerial introspection.

1, does arbitrary / less formal cultural practices like this help or hinder team bonding? Where is the line drawn because it's swung from being a good thing to a bad thing, and it only worked because the personality of the team members hadn't encountered someone pushing reasonable boundaries.

2, could you, should you have stepped in sooner?

3, if you're someone who's shy or introverted or autistic... Would the culture you've been keen to foster be good or bad? I.e. someone, anyone, not like you. is your team welcoming or hostile to them? (I say this as someone who once worked at a place where it was disapproved of to not make everyone tea... But I was in a team of widget makers where the work was mostly predictable..but my skillset was bespoke widgets to hard clients.. I just didn't have time in the working day to piss about making tea for 25min so just chucked one back first thing without offering... Lots of passive aggressive comments but it would literally mean staying late, missing lunch if I did 2-3 rounds like some people! Really crap environment)

4, would a male manager have acted the same? What about your boss? This sort of "trying to be pals with people you manage" isn't always bad,but reducing your dispassionate authority can hurt you.. being seen as their mum. Especially with immature employees where the manager/employee lines are already blurred.

Pinkette06 · 23/01/2020 15:17

What a cf. 50 quid Shock

SameOldHorrorStory · 23/01/2020 15:28

“I asked what she wanted”.

“I offered to pay”.

You are both being equally unreasonable, her for being a CF and you for being a walkover and letting her run a £50 food and drinks tab on your expense.

BirthdaySprinkles · 23/01/2020 15:30

@puds11 I thought it was swish wanking Grin

SameOldHorrorStory · 23/01/2020 15:31

^^ That should be “I asked what they wanted”

IJustCantDeal · 23/01/2020 15:54

Please stop being a pushover, carry on as usual just leave her out. She’ll learn fast. It’d be a shame for you to not be able to treat yourself because of her

Wildthyme · 23/01/2020 16:02

What the hell is "food bonding"? Confused

Fluffycloudland77 · 23/01/2020 16:07

Fuck knows but it’s cost op £50.

IntermittentParps · 23/01/2020 16:15

Oh, don't be obtuse. Clearly from the context it means 'going out with the team to bond over lunch/other food.'

Lalala205 · 23/01/2020 16:24

I think it is a work matter. I bet the rest of the team are aware and are all sat there agog that she's getting away with it! I bet she's pulled it with other co-workers too. 'Can you get my sandwich, I've forgotten purse', 'could u sub me till payday?', 'I'll transfer you money later on'.... She probably rolls out the saving for house comment to them too, and uses you as the example of not minding! 😂

roses2 · 23/01/2020 16:27

When it comes to her annual bonus give her £50 less (although clearly you can’t pocket that money and you’ll have to frame it in a performance related manner)

BirthdaySprinkles · 23/01/2020 16:34

Has anyone got a link to the lunch club/discount card thread mentioned a few times?

myusernamewastakenbyme · 23/01/2020 16:47

I honestly dont know how people get themselves in these situations...This would only happen to me once and then I would never buy them anything again...
I dont have the money to sub other people therefore would not offer to get other peoples stuff from the shop as id worry about asking for the money back..
I remember getting stung in the pub once whilst out with colleagues...we were not buying rounds but when i went to the bar I politely asked if anyone else wanted anything....about 6 people asked for a drink...in cost me more than i could afford and i was in the worst financial position of anyone there....it really pissed me off.
I now just get my own and dont ask anyone else.

Davros · 23/01/2020 17:10

If you want to go out together, how about a kitty collected up front.

Lalala205 · 23/01/2020 17:12

Ah yes the drinks! I had colleague (pissed) who turned to me and said 'it's time for your round isn't it?'. We weren't even buying in rounds! CF!! I just walked off to talk to someone else.

DanielRicciardosSmile · 23/01/2020 17:16

I see "B" the sandwich-shop discount-card woman has got a new job...

DanielRicciardosSmile · 23/01/2020 17:18

@BirthdaySprinkles here you go

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3714806-AIBU-over-non-paying-colleague-Lunch-dramas

Glitteryone · 23/01/2020 17:19

You are her manager but you are not managing this issue. You need to.

Zampa · 23/01/2020 17:25

Regular team lunches can be quite excluding for those who don't have lots of spare cash. It's not as easy saying those who can't afford it shouldn't go as it excludes them from the "bonding process" and could mean they miss out on important information about the workplace.

Yes, this employee seems cheeky re. treats from the shop but if they don't have a choice to go to these meetings in coffee shops etc I can understand their position in expecting to be subbed.

Can you claim any of this expenditure on expenses or carry out your bonding in other ways that don't involve spending money?

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 23/01/2020 17:28

You keep saying “they”. Are you talking about all the staff or just her behaviour?

BirthdaySprinkles · 23/01/2020 17:33

Thank you @DanielRicciardosSmile

Tfgjiknfr · 23/01/2020 17:34

I think your colleague is rude but I can’t believe what a mug you have been. I don’t understand why you didn’t insist on her repaying you?

brassbrass · 23/01/2020 17:34

Zampa have you actually read the thread? CF isn't being excluded. Food bonding doesn't happen everyday. Ime it is random and occasional. CF just seems to think that her manager should pay for her every single time. Which is utterly ridiculous and unrealistic. None of the rest of the team behave like this. Plus she could bring her own food/drinks in to join in the bonding if she is skint. No one would mind. But she expects OP to pay. That is nowhere near normal.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/01/2020 17:38

You need to tell her she still owes you £50, and you expect her to repay it, @Conflicted1212 - writing it off sends entirely the wrong message.

Point out to her that she wouldn’t like it if someone ran up a similar debt to her, and refused to pay it off.