To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

[BeTheRabbit]

As a self confessed utterly ugly bug I just can't understand it... There are truly beautiful women out there who do it to themselves time and time again and end up almost caricatures of themselves.

Just a thought after seeing the latest pics of Catherine Zeta Jones who was incredibly gorgeous. Not a caricature yet, but perhaps in danger of going there.

I have fillers and Botox, although I appreciate this isn’t plastic surgery as such, but I know I look better for it. . It’s just making sure you don’t go that extra bit with it where it can make things look fake and over stretched. Everything in moderation. Sometimes I think, maybe that extra bit of botox, but then reign myself in. It can be very addictive.

I'm amazed how ordinary lasses afford their physical upkeep. Country must be sinking in debt

it's cos the days of buying houses are over for many, they have given up on it as the prices are too high and they just spend the cash as they get it.

Felicity Kendal. Not good, that weird puppet mouth thing.
I've a friend who gets Botox, she says she looks better, but she doesn't. Her lovely face has fewer lines, but it looks a bit mask like.

I quite agree, op. It seems to be doubling when really young people who are already extremely presentable, start messing about with their faces. It is so obvious too.

I saw a video of Nigella last week and she's obviously had something done - I think cheek fillers as it looks a bit odd under the eyes. Lovely in a photo but just... off when the face is moving.

Such a shame, she's an incredibly beautiful woman and it would be lovely to see her age naturally.

Its the lip fillers. the side profile where they look like one of the cast from Finding Nemo. and from the front the shadow line above the lip they are really obvious.
Its like the current beauty standard is ' Blow up doll' Its horrible and objectifying.

@AngeloMysterioso

The one I’m most astonished by is Chloe Ferry from Geordie Shore- I just keep thinking such a dramatic transformation must result in some sort of identity crisis?!

That’s tragic. She was so beautiful and fresh before, she’s made herself look …hard.

Is it a case of people not being honest then? Would you really say to a friend they look awful? What the hell have you done to yourself? It's sad, most who have it done, think they look better, those viewing the results, think they look awful, but obviously no-one is telling them the truth.

I agree with pp about the blow up doll look. So depressing.
I don't know why having lines or daring to age is so problematic.

Jennifer Grey (baby from Dirth Dancing) actually said once that getting a nose job/surgery ruined her career

Grey's career never took anyway though, yes she had dd in 87 but she did bugger all after and she got the surgery 5 years later in 92 so it made no difference as in them 5 years she didn't get any big roles. She was a 1 hit wonder really.

I think it's very easy to get hooked.
I have breast implants and lip filler and found myself looking into Botox the other day. I know I don't need it I've only just turned 30 and still get ID,d for energy drinks But everything is so easily accessible, once one thing is "fixed" it's easy to start looking for something else.
I'm stopping now though. But my boobs and lips do look amazing

On the ones that look better, you don't know they've had it

No seriously, I think the insane filler/caricature-looking trend looks terrible, but at the end of the day who am I to tell an adult what to do with their face? If you think plastic surgery should be legal at all, ever, you immediately enter 'but where do you draw the line' territory, and if someone can pay for it and considers it an acceptable risk, well, its their face.

I knew I was getting old though when I looked out at a lecture hall full of 20 year olds right before Covid and thought 'bloody hell, how am I supposed to tell you apart?!' It's makeup, mostly. I think.

If you surround yourself with other people like you though, you get a skewed view of what is 'normal’

I thought exactly this when I watched the Friends Reunion. All but one or two of the Friends appear to have had fairly extensive work done and I suppose if you live in Beverly Hills or Malibu surrounded by people who’ve also had work done, you lose sight of how it actually looks. It certainly never seems to make people look younger, which I assume is the main purpose of having it done.

@Marriedtoapenguin

I do wish ladies would leave themselves alone.

Renee Zellweger was so gorgeous in Empire Records. Now, she looks ill.

Sharon Osbourne is about the only one who's not ruined herself.

If proof were needed look at Honor Blackman and Helen Mirren. Don't think they've had any work done and my word, they look amazing.

Honor Blackman’s dead and Helen Mirren has had so much done-look at her in Prime Suspect filmed 30 years ago and she looks tauter now than she did then!

Thing is CZJ had a delicate exotic beauty..very hard to authenticate with plastic surgery..shes just going to end up looking generic

@RuffleCrow

The way i see it, what have we got to lose by working to change the culture that says the worth of a girl or woman resides largely in her appearance?

We all need to fight the urge to focus on female appearance and instead make it about character.

Charactercharactercharacter is how i will be responding to any thread or rl comment on a female appearance from now on.

I’ll join you in that!

I have tear trough fillers done, not to be beautiful (I never have been beautiful and never will be and even less so now I am in my late 50s!). I have no need to look beautiful in my work, I don't care if I look like I am aging because I am, and my DH loves me and fancies as I am. But I have (genetically) terrible dark rings under my eyes and I grew so tired of hearing, as I went into work feeling fine, after a good night's sleep, thinking I looked perfectly good, "oh my God, Cat, you look sooooo tired, are you are OK?", "oh you poor thing you look so exhausted!" etc etc every day....

We need to stop marginalizing women as they age ... the reason so many women strive to look like they're not aging, which just makes them instead look freakish and plastic with no facial expressions. sad.

This entire thread is sad.
If you were more happy and fulfilled in your own life, you wouldn't feel the need to criticize other women.

Whenever I see Charlotte Rampling, I still admire her looks-elegant but not desperate. My friend’s got fillers and Botox and she looks lovely when her face is still, but something looks off when she talks. For myself, I used to be far more interested in looking good when I was young and still like to brush up if I have to. Am happy with hair dye and make up-but decided to draw the line at anything going under the skin. Can’t help thinking that CZJ and CV would look far better if they had stopped there. They would still be beautiful older women, now they look like jokes.

I also always found it odd that people (always always women) think it necessary to tell someone they looked exhausted. What could be the possible benefit? If the person is actually exhausted telling them that they look it is of no help, and if they, like me, are not exhausted, then it just makes them feel like crap when they were feeling fine.

However, in a way I am glad they made those comments because it spurred me to get the fillers, which do actually make me look and feel better. (I still think of those women as bitches though!)

@Thedeadwood

If proof were needed look at Honor Blackman and Helen Mirren. Don't think they've had any work done and my word, they look amazing.

You honestly believe neither of them have had any work done?!

I agree that they probably have - but they've been sensible, had discreet nips and tucks, and slowed the signs of ageing rather than tried to eliminate them.

It must be hard when you are in the public eye the way they are, but even so - surely they see what other women have done to themselves and think "Not for me"?

I don't think Diana Rigg had anything done, an she remained beautiful into her 80's.

Their body, their choice. These women feel like they want to try and preserve their good looks because there is so much focus on their beauty. They face criticism whether they decide to age naturally or have cosmetic surgery. I was reading a thing earlier about Ellen Pompeo and so many criticised how 'much she has aged' over the course of Grey's Anatomy. I mean, it has been running for 16 years and she was 36 when it started, of course she has aged. Women simply cannot win. Let's stop criticising them, whether they do or don't choose cosmetic surgery.

If you were more happy and fulfilled in your own life, you wouldn't feel the need to criticize other women.
Sounds like a fridge magnet. Women as individuals are our worst critics, we mostly judge ourselves.
I have botox twice a year it isn't for anyone but myself I'd like to have it every quarter but if I had unlimited finances I'd probably look like Sylvester Stallone.
As a similar age to Michelle heaton and her era of pals I'm bloody delighted I'm not rich, I look far better having had my first botox at 37.
They look 50.
I believe maintenance is fine.
To all the younger woman hold out until you need it, you're beautiful more than you realise.

I agree about Felicity Kendall. She had a face that would always be pretty and interesting in to old age. What she has had done is hard to look at, it's sad. And Nicole Kidman looks as if she has been embalmed. But, ageing is difficult, for all of us, so much more so if your face is what largely defines you.