To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

[BeTheRabbit]

As a self confessed utterly ugly bug I just can't understand it... There are truly beautiful women out there who do it to themselves time and time again and end up almost caricatures of themselves.

Just a thought after seeing the latest pics of Catherine Zeta Jones who was incredibly gorgeous. Not a caricature yet, but perhaps in danger of going there.

@Lippy1234 I agree, Kris Jenner looks amazing!

@SameOldHorrorStory

And not exclusively women. I don’t know whether it’s the surgery that makes them look bad or all the other shit they shovel into their faces. All involved should be ashamed of themselves. I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d had a hand in mutilating someone into a monstrosity

Blimey!

I thought the second picture was Spitting Image puppets . . . then realised that it wasn't.

That's horrific!

I suppose it just goes to show how much pressure they're under. Most women on tv and in movies know that their looks are part of why they are employed, and are terrified to lose their career. What alway bugs me is the daytime tv duo of old/ grey/ fat bloke with young slim glamorous woman. There rarely seems to be an equivalent women who can let their grey hair show, let their gut hang out - they'd be replaced in no time!

I've seen Nigella up close at a book signing and she does look a bit ridiculous now, from about 30 feet away she looked amazing, but up close her cheeks are so puffy, shiny forehead and her eyes are now small and squinty.

And to whoever mentioned Helen Mirren as some sort of example of non-surgical ageing , the difference is she has had subtle work done, and looks more natural than some.
She has left some wrinkles around her eyes, but most 65 year old women don't have jawlines like that. I'm 37 and barely have a jawline like that!

I was having a discussion with friends about this just this week.

One of them commented that back in the day plastic surgery and procedures were something you did with utmost discretion, or in secret. The idea being to feign the outcome as your natural self. Admitting to 'work' would be a real no-no.

Now it's the opposite. The whole point is that the work is noticeable. Inflated lips, puffy filler, the ubiquity of immobile botoxed faces and tattooed eyebrows. The reality-clone look is aspirational to a whole generation of women who aren't really old enough for this to be about ageing.

It's seen as a fashion choice, a social marker, like a carrying a certain handbag or wearing a particular brand of shoes. Its conforming and competitive.

I just find the results, a cohort of insta-bot women identical to the eye and all looking a vague mid-30ish whether they are 18 or 25 or 30, a bit dystopian.

The ladies who started later do look better than the younger starters.

I'm not sure what or if J.Lo or Amanda Holden has had work to mention a few fine fifty's but they look great.

Gillian Anderson - saw Sex Education on tv recently , she looks amazing.
DH binged The XFiles (there's a LOT of it ) she did look diffferent , not vastly different . She looks more polished now , refined . Maybe the blonder hair ?
DH said she had a nose job but not sure if anything else ?

@BorneoBabe

The worst for me was Renee Zellweger in Bridget Jones's Baby. I was so distracted by her face I couldn't enjoy the film.

Same here, I can’t watch because of it

Helen Mirren : I don't think she has had anything done.

Google her "without make-up". She just has very good make-up, and hair stylists. I follow her on Instagram, and she is very good at putting up pictures of what she looks like in the morning. And she does look every year of her 76 years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/make-up/selfie-reason-helen-mirren-empowering-beauty-influencer-women/

I thought Kate winslet looked beautifully real and natural in mare of easttown - you could lose yourself in the drama and believe in her character whereas with Nicole Kidman in the thing with Hugh grant, she was still extremely beautiful but to the detriment of her acting because her face didn’t move enough, and it was distracting.

I do think if your craft is acting, having a full set of facial expressions to convey emotion is more important than trying to be cast in the same role that you were playing 15 years ago. Perhaps the issue is a dearth of lead female roles over the age of 35? Not so sure about musicians/pop stars but probably the same problem.

I'm not surprised it happens. Imagine what it's like being famous? If you are someone who is pegged as being beautiful, it's bad enough with the emphasis that is put on that fact when you're unknown. Your self worth can end up tied to it and people constantly commenting on your appearance from your teens onwards makes it feel like something far more important than it is, even more so if you're aware that you are experiencing favourable treatment because of it. Then as you get older or have a few health problems or get less sleep, experience stress and any of the other things that can affect your appearance people feel the need to mention that too. Anyone who has had people drawing attention to their appearance either positively or negatively, imagine when that's across social media platforms, discussed on TV, in newspapers? We've created this culture that drives people, especially women, to alter themselves, sadly in some cases to the point of being unrecognisable.

When you're used to every person on the street or in the restaurant turning to look at you because you're such a knockout it must be hard to see that start to slip away.

I was looking at a photo of Jane Seymour yesterday and she looks amazing. No doubt she's had things done, perhaps a little face lift but she hasn't gone too far and the ironically the fact she's left some wrinkles, hasn't tried to smooth everything out, makes her seem far more youthful than her peers who have gone for the max.

[quote BigWoollyJumpers]Helen Mirren : I don't think she has had anything done.

Google her "without make-up". She just has very good make-up, and hair stylists. I follow her on Instagram, and she is very good at putting up pictures of what she looks like in the morning. And she does look every year of her 76 years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/make-up/selfie-reason-helen-mirren-empowering-beauty-influencer-women/[/quote]
She looks fantastic but she's had a facelift.

Agree with op but men are subject to this pressure too. Am a big fan of the late Pete Burns - a truly beautiful man but for many reasons changed his appearance almost beyond recognition.

Nicole Kidman has definitely overdone it.

I remember reading a few years back that Helen Mirren said that having eyebrows tattooed on made a huge difference to her appearance.

I absolutely hate the current trend for everyone to look the same. I wish we could start teaching everyone that they are unique and beautiful just as they are, and to love the skin they are in.

I think the older women who look fantastic have had face lifts - probably a few over the years. Tightening the jaw line goes a long way to looking more youthful, and you keep the natural contours of the face. Leaving some wrinkles around the eyes is attractive, no 70 year old has a naturally smooth face. It also helps to use extremely good skincare, have regular facials and eat fabulous quality food (all costing £££).

Fillers look almost universally odd. They distort what people know your face looks like, so are very noticeable. They can be done in tiny quantities to even out features - and I think they can look fantastic then - but to plump or firm skin, no.

There has been a strange Kardashianisation of beauty standards. So many minor celebs and Instagram models look almost identical.

Tori Spelling has had a little (!) work done and now looks like a clone of Khloe Kardashian. It's so weird.

Cheryl Cole looks pillowy and rubbery now and many women are starting to look the same.
I’m pretty average looking and thus have little to lose by aging. It’s probably worse if you’re considered a great beauty when you’re younger-aging probably terrifies you

I am sad that so many woman (and to a lesser degree men) of all ages feel such pressure to change their physical look. I don't like 'fake' whether it be boobs, nails, eyelashes, eyebrows let alone all the pouting fish lips and hard, wooden faces.

My DH feels the same thank goodness although if he didn't he could jog on.

Filler face is just awful. Women end up looking like puffy drag queens. And so do some men, but women seem to start ruining their faces much earlier. I saw some pics of Megan Fox recently and she's joined the plastic frozen face club.

But then I suppose in doing all this stuff they're actively trying to avoid criticism. It is a bit sad. Sites like the Daily Fail delight in getting candid pics of a female celeb out without makeup and printing a dog whistle headline like "X shows off her bare faced beauty" then standing back for the "She thinks she's beautiful? She looks like Golem!" comments to flood in. I suppose they're fucked either way.

I think its worse when the younger ones in their 20’s, early 30’s start with fillers. In your 40’s that’s generally when the ageing process starts to really show so it’s understandable people want to try to hold on to it.

It’s when the youngest ones do it when there’s no sign of ageing in the first place.

And that trout pout look I just find is so unattractive. They literally look like clones of each other. I understand those that have thin lips wanting to try a little filler to fill them out a bit, but many if the girls ha e perfectly full lips to start with and have fillers to achieve that trout pout look.

It’s a big like women with small breast who have implants to make them feel better about they or small boobs. They have them to look natural. Then you get the ones that have descendant size boobs but actively want them to look false….

Fashion is a funny thing….

I hope that after having all the work done that it actually does make them feel better in themselves, or feel that they look better? I fear that it doesn’t though as they seem to never know when to stop.

The more normalised that having procedures becomes, the more others feel under pressure to do the same. They’re actually adding to the pressure that society puts on women to look good.

It’s going to take a massive shift in attitudes of men and women and the media, tv, film industry etc to even start to slow this down or reverse it, and I do worry about the future for my daughters.

Basically as others have said, until less value is put on the way women look and more value is put on character, intelligence, actions etc this will continue...

@Greystray totally agree, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I would love to know where Nigella goes, she looks amazing, not ‘done’ at all