To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

[BeTheRabbit]

As a self confessed utterly ugly bug I just can't understand it... There are truly beautiful women out there who do it to themselves time and time again and end up almost caricatures of themselves.

Just a thought after seeing the latest pics of Catherine Zeta Jones who was incredibly gorgeous. Not a caricature yet, but perhaps in danger of going there.

DoC has botox definitely

It always looks grotesque. It always looks obvious that work has been done on someone's face. It sticks out like a sore thumb and never looks remotely natural. Giant lips look simply ridiculous.

Why the hell do people do it to themselves??

6 pages of women bashing other women for their looks. That'd be why.

But the thread's not bashing women for their looks. The opposite really, it's saying women shouldn't feel under pressure to change themselves by surgeries and injectables and all of that when they looked great in the first place.

6 pages of women bashing other women for their looks. That'd be why

It’s six pages of women saying other women are far more beautiful before they have surgery.

It’s bashing cosmetic surgery, society and media that put so much pressure on women they feel they have to do this to themselves.

It’s six pages of women saying other women are far more beautiful before they have surgery.

It’s bashing cosmetic surgery, society and media that put so much pressure on women they feel they have to do this to themselves.

This ^

Kew it would be about Catherine and you are right. She used to be stunning, absolutely beautiful and now look at her. She would have aged well as well no doubt, she didnt need plastic surgery. Such a shame she thought she needed it.

6 pages of women bashing other women for their looks.
Where?

I think the obsession with appearance is extremely sad. However, it's very difficult to know where to draw the line. We all have different views of what is reasonable and what isn't. And we're not always consistent.

Personally, I could never contemplate plastic surgery or Botox. However, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have highlights in my hair to help hide the grey and to remove the hair on my chin and upper lip (I'm in my late 50s).

I would hate my daughters (early 20s) to have plastic surgery to address any perceived imperfections, but I willingly paid for them to have orthodontist treatment in their teens to correct their very slightly crooked teeth.

NB: surgery for medical reasons eg following accidents or to address disfigurements such as cleft palates is another matter entirely. I have no problem with any of that.

According to Incredible India "the more still you are the further you can go". My bum is getting numb from sitting still for so long

Oops wrong thread

Maybe if I got fillers in it they would act as a cushion?

I want to know what thread you were on. It sounds good

I’ve just watched the video of CZJ, and sure she looks a bit tweaked, but not nearly as extreme as some people are indicating.

Isn’t she famously a depression sufferer? I think that combined with Hollywood life is going to make someone far more prone to going down the plastic surgery route in an effort to obtain “contentment”.

CZJ was one of the most beautiful women ever - she's absolutely spectacular looking in Darling Buds of May.

Just the tennis Langs. We get a bit sidetracked sometimes

Just left a job where there was a woman there, late 30s, apparently she is into all her beauty, she has had boob jobs, lip fillers, the silly eyebrows, all she talked about was her looks and beauty treatments, what a bore! She was so vain and unattractive. I have never met anyone like that before, and hope never to again. !

What I thought was weird (not quite on topic because neither of these women are famous beauties, but I hope relevant):

1. Jessy (? Sp) from Little Mix having extensive surgery then moaning that it wasn’t fair that her looks had been picked on and we should all accept our looks etc. etc. She even made a TV programme about it, I think. Do as I say, not as I do, eh? Way to give a healthy message to your fans, most of whom are under ten.

1. Charlotte Crosby having a self-indulgent meltdown when Janet Street-Porter asked her, quite reasonably, whether she thought that having major surgery on her face was setting a good example to young women.

If you’re going to puff up your lips, shove filler into your face, etc., do it: it’s no skin off my nose, but don’t cloak it in this self-pitying “boo hoo the haterz made me do it and don’t you dare do anything other than congratulate me for mutilating my face” rubbish. Because then you look stupid as well as less attractive than you used to be with your real face.

The one I’m most astonished by is Chloe Ferry from Geordie Shore- I just keep thinking such a dramatic transformation must result in some sort of identity crisis?!

1. Jessy (? Sp) from Little Mix having extensive surgery then moaning that it wasn’t fair that her looks had been picked on and we should all accept our looks etc. etc. She even made a TV programme about it, I think. Do as I say, not as I do, eh? Way to give a healthy message to your fans, most of whom are under ten.

I thought that too.

That's a little unfair. She had the surgery in the throws of depression, to the point of a suicide attempt brought on by endless hatred towards her because of her looks. She didn't even know she was going to make a film at some point in the future.

She didn't have the surgery so she could make a doc and say 'hey kids lets all have a tonne of surgery to beat the bullies'. It was only during some therapy in the documentary that she began to even make peace with pre-surgery Jesy. @angelomysterioso clearly women are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

DoC definitely has fillers or fat transfer - women don't get skinnier and keep their faces round IMO. But quite subtle (for the moment)

I think we are starting to lose sight of what normal aging looks like too. People's face will change as they age but I'm often looking at celebs in their early 50s wondering if they are looking older or just had bad plastic surgery!

There was a picture on Instagram of Courtney Cox, Jennifer Aniston and Lisa kudrow recently. Lisa is the only one who has aged naturally but I bet she gets slagged off online for looking old.

Bathroom - could you hazard a guess as to which surgeon HM used?

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