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Sister living at our flat

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user1464279374 · 19/01/2020 04:09

So I'm in the very fortunate position of living in a spacious flat in London, which I own with my husband (thanks to his family's generosity/wealth, not my own hard work - I'll put that out there straight away!). We have a toddler and another baby on the way end of March.

My sister graduated university last summer and in the Autumn got a job in central London. Having been a struggling graduate years ago myself paying London rent (we are not from the city) I offered (with my husband's I suppose reluctant blessing) for her to stay in our spare room for free. The vague end date for that was new baby's arrival when we'll need a bit more space.

In return there was supposed to be a lot of babysitting, which hasn't really materialised. But I guess that's partly our own fault for not asking much in advance.

She was fired from this job before Christmas and is now job hunting but is still staying with us. After being home for the holidays my husband is not enjoying the lack of privacy now she's back and is itching for us to have our space again (and saying as much quite frequently). I always feel the guilt of 'but I can help, and I wish someone had helped me' but I do feel like she's taking the situation for granted and not pulling her weight.

Her room is always a mess, she's borrowing my clothes, doesn't contribute to general cleaning or cooking, and the reason I'm posting at 4am is she just turned up home from a night out waking me up. I'd asked her to text me before 1am if she was coming back (sometimes she stays with a friend) and she didn't so I locked up. So I wake up to banging at the door and her angry that I'd locked it. No apology. Luckily the toddler stayed asleep.

I just feel like we suddenly have a teenager living with us, and an ungrateful one at that. Part of me thinks she should understand that these things require some give and take, even if they are a favour from family.

Should I ask her to go back to our parents now she doesn't have a real reason to be here, so we can get the flat in shape a bit sooner for new baby? Should I be asking for some token rent? I don't much have the energy for huge arguments that might end up involving my mother who will inevitably try to persuade us she should stay. Should we just wait it out, given it's only another 6 weeks or so?

Thank you - would love to hear what you would do in this situation!

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icannotremember · 19/01/2020 13:57

I wonder if she picks up on your recognition that your situation is partly (and this isn't a snipe at you in any way at all!) due to luck and feels entitled to share in it?

Either way, I agree with pp that helping her out cannot be your priority any more. I don't think there's a need to take the utterly strident "fuck off cheeky scum" approach some seem to feel is warranted but you are in no way UR for wanting your family home to be your family home!

KTheGrey · 19/01/2020 14:10

Seems particularly rough on your husband, whose family contributed to him and his wife and children having a home, to have to put up with this baffling lack of gratitude from somebody taking such advantage of their generosity.

FuckingHateRats · 19/01/2020 14:19

Am with the majority. Her behaviour has been selfish and last night, inexcusable.

Hope the convo goes well.

NaomifromMilshake · 19/01/2020 14:34

Twelfty million years ago, I shared with a family member and their DW for a winter, they asked me to move out, I did, we didn't talk for a while, but now years later they admit they were being unreasonable at the time and we now have a great relationship.

You are definitely not being unreasonable, but my point being you need to do what you need to do, and when your sister realises in time that you were not being unreasonable, the relationship will fix itself, if it is worth fixing.

carly2803 · 19/01/2020 14:34

she would be gone today.

no job, no money and making your family life a misery? nope. bye bye

BlouseAndSkirt · 19/01/2020 14:41

I shared with a family member and their DW for a winter, they asked me to move out, I did, we didn't talk for a while, but now years later they admit they were being unreasonable at the time

Why were they unreasonable? You lived with them for a whole winter?

Jux · 19/01/2020 14:47

We had sil stay with us for two weeks - apparently - though it turned out to be 6 months +, and would have been longer but she decided I had been rude to her and therefore hated her; she shook the dust off her feet pretty quickly. My crime? I had asked her to just hang on a mo while I finished reading the sentence I was on when I was studying. She had decided early on that she enjoyed interrupting my degree study at any opportunity, and I had always acceded to her. it seems, as soon as I asked her (politely) to wait a sec, she took umbrage and left. I wish I'd done it a lot sooner.

She was dh's sister. He was home all day. He could have kept her entertained, but she chose that I should. She has refused to have anything to do with me for years now and I'm bloody glad of it.

NaomifromMilshake · 19/01/2020 14:49

Not here to discuss the merits and demerits of my post, merely to point out that situations can be retrieved.

TorkTorkBam · 19/01/2020 14:51

A week is generous given there is no actual reason for her to live with you any more.

YoTheGinPussyOfStMawesOnThigh · 19/01/2020 15:04

Has she arisen from her pit OP? I would been in the room squeezing a flannel of cold water over her first thing and setting her straight on her bad behaviour and manners.

Get her out as soon as and start anticipating the arrival of your baby without the stress of her.

TorkTorkBam · 19/01/2020 15:09

How has DH reacted to the news that he is getting his home back? Ecstatic?

TorkTorkBam · 19/01/2020 15:10

You became so successful because you had no help not despite it. You are doing her no favours.

Louiselouie0890 · 19/01/2020 15:18

Put your husband and children first. He did what was asked and now it's done. Time for your own family now

eminencegrise · 19/01/2020 15:52

Your husband has the patience of a saint.

Tistheseason17 · 19/01/2020 15:58

You are doing the right thing in asking her to leave. New baby coming, DH with the patience of a saint - but her time has run out.

She no longer had a job so no reason to "have" to stay with you and her banging at the door early morning is a complete abuse - you are not a hotel.

A week is plenty.

Have you had the conversation yet, OP?

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 19/01/2020 16:02

Your poor DH - he really is a saint. Well done for realising and standing up for yourself. Hope she takes it well and leaves with little fuss.

FourDecades · 19/01/2020 16:09

@user1464279374 - so what have you decided to do?

KarmaStar · 19/01/2020 17:46

Hi op
You are acting as unfairly as your dsis by allowing her bad and rude behaviour to infringe on your husband and dc.
You need to give her a set date to move out by,no excuses,and tell her straight if she ignores you then on the specified day her belongings will be packed and left outside and the locks changed.
You don't have to get into an argument or listen to empty promises to change.Be firm.
Ignore any other family members of they don't agree.She can stay with them.
It will give you time to prepare for the arrival of your baby and everyone to relax properly.
Good luck.

user1464279374 · 19/01/2020 18:34

@FourDecades sorry we ended up having a lovely day out with our friends and their kids which was a nice distraction!

So my sister slunk out of the flat this morning when we went to the park so we a well composed message to both my mum and her.

She has now replied being completely unapologetic, saying it's my fault for locking the door, and just generally being more ungrateful. So that's just further justified the decision I guess!

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Crazyoldmaurice · 19/01/2020 18:36

Wow! Your own fault for locking your own front door after letting her know you would be doing so! She is taking the piss!

Has she said anything regarding her needing to vacate before baby comes?

GiveHerHellFromUs · 19/01/2020 18:38

How dare you lock your own door to keep your family safe in the middle of the night...

TorkTorkBam · 19/01/2020 18:40

So did it go badly @user1464279374 ?

TorkTorkBam · 19/01/2020 18:41

What I meant was, do you feel it went OK despite her being a cowbag? How are you and DH feeling?

katy1213 · 19/01/2020 18:41

You should have been asking for rent from the start. Why does she get to live free?
Anyway, as she has no job, she doesn't require notice. Firm voice - you're taking the piss, we've had enough - and there's a train back home tomorrow at 3pm - I'll help you pack. And hope your mum is glad to see her!

user1464279374 · 19/01/2020 18:42

Haven't heard back from my mother yet, but my sister has gone to her house so they are together.

We're chatting on whatsapp now and basically I'm just receiving a ton of shit. Apparently she's 'very aware how little respect I have' for the 'concept' of family...

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