Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

Media bias check sites
Are those for people who cant make their own mind up or form their own opinions?
Sounds like something Orwell would write a novel about

You should've just left it at your first poster, usernumbers 🤣 are you ok?

Are those for people who cant make their own mind up or form their own opinions

Or independent sources that help people filter out their own biases.

Unless the Conservative party decide to rebrand CCHQ as a fact check site.

Racism is just wrong, it's not a legitimate opinion.

MN is turning into Twitter. Some of you just can't see past colour.

You'd be up in arms if LF said domestic violence was boring. But hatred and violence against PoC, that's fine, clap your boy.

They are useful for identifying bias and dismissing claims such ad as yours.

Fact checking? Something I know the right struggle with but hey.

I think that reading Brendan O'Neils articles on Spiked and his Wiki page give no doubt about his views on MM and racism

www.spiked-online.com/author/brendan-oneill/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Neill_(columnist)

Or independent sources that help people filter out their own biases
It gets better. A faceless machine to inform you how to right-think instead of wrong-think

The more I think about it, the more I believe white privilege is a divisive and unhelpful concept in the UK. However, I still believe we should all look to be aware of any privilege do have due to our background - whatever that might be - and recognise how that may impact on our views.

Although it may be true that the average white person has better life chances than the average POC, it’s simplistic to imply that a white person has an inherent privilege as a result. Why? Because this “average” white person comprises both a substantial number of comfortable middle class white people (who skew the average) but also a significant number of disadvantaged white people living in communities where their skin colour gives them no particular advantage at all.

Indeed the most deprived neighbourhoods in Britain are in our largely “white” seaside towns and post-industrial areas. It is our working class white boys that are performing worse than any other group educationally... and yet a recent attempt to support this group by a benefactor was turned down by many schools for it’s racist undertones!

As the reluctance to take this grant exemplified, society has become systemically tilted against this left behind and substantially sized group. Given this reality in modern Britain, to talk about “white privilege” is as perverse as it is inflammatory, and serves only to risk rekindling racial tensions that, comparative to most countries, are minor.

Given the disdain that the woke liberal left has shown them, is it any wonder that these communities voted Tory. They didn’t learn from the Brexit vote... and some appear to be doubling down on their philosophy following their recent GE drubbing.... but if they continue down this path, they’ll be consumed in a vortex of their own self-righteousness!

MN is turning into Twitter. Some of you just can't see past colour.

The ones who are most guilty of not seeing past colour are those crying “racism” at criticism of MM and insisting on white privilege despite the fact that our most disadvantaged communities are overwhelmingly white.

They are useful for identifying bias and dismissing claims such ad as yours.

You need a machine to do that? What could possible go wrong?

Fact checking? Something I know the right struggle with but hey

If you mean me, I'm not on the right

Fact checking websites give facts. Very useful during Brexit and the election when there were lies.

Blackpool.... 8 out of the 10 most deprived communities in Britain.... And yet BAMEs comprise just 3% of population! And yet Blackpool’s residents enjoy the privilege of being white

Seaside towns and rural areas are deprived but of course that doesn't mean that their inhabitants don't have white privilege.

But then again we go back to these communities being shown disdain by the left? When? I don't remember any policies from the left that took funding out of these areas or closed down industries.I don't remember left wing policies that cut funding to rural, northern and deprived areas the most during austerity.

I do remember people challenging the idea that in these areas the cause of the problem was the EU and immigration, which is of course correct as the vast majority have virtually no immigration.

Being disadvantaged economically does not mean you don't have other forms of privelege.

nd yet BAMEs comprise just 3% of population

Fact check

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/

87% of people in the UK are White, and 13% belong to a Black, Asian, Mixed or Other ethnic group, according to the combined 2011 censuses for England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

Again. White privilege DOESN'T MEAN privileged. It doesn't mean you can't be poor and experiencing hardship or that you can't be a victim of prejudices. It doesn't mean you're loving life with no socioeconomic problems.

chomalungma DA is no more or less entitled to abuse on Twitter than the next politician who says a stupid thing.

Do you think the white male politicians who’ve been abused on Twitter deserve it?

@Oakenbeach

I think you're misunderstanding white privilege. There's some great explanations if scroll through the thread. You're arguing against a misconception and you might have more agreement with people than you realise!

Also, I asked before if you could explain what you meant when you talked about a "traditional sense of British, or more particularly English, identity felt by those outside London and our other metropolitan melting pots."

@chomalungma

87% of people in the UK are White, and 13% belong to a Black, Asian, Mixed or Other ethnic group, according to the combined 2011 censuses for England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

My point exactly, with 3% BAMEs, Blackpool is both far whiter, and far more deprived, than most places.

@AllideasAndNoAction yet the research linked to above said she was the most abused MP on twitter during the 2017 campaign. Other data shows she recieved half of all abusive tweets to female MPs.

Plenty of other male MPs made almost exactly the same gaffe in 2017 yet appear not to be given the dame same vitriol and also have not become figures of abuse that stems from racist tropes.

@Oakenbeach are those people deprived because of the colour of their skin? Do they face barriers in their life that make things more difficult because of the colour of their skin? Is it the colour of their skin that makes it more challenging for them to succeed?

I’m bored of white males refusing to acknowledge their privilege and think we should give them no more air time at all. The way he talks over her in that clip is disgusting. Misogynistic and ignorant. Failing to acknowledge racism enables racism to continue.
Sometimes I’m absolutely ashamed of my race (white) but thank god at least I’m not Male. Utter twats

Again. White privilege DOESN'T MEAN privileged. It doesn't mean you can't be poor and experiencing hardship or that you can't be a victim of prejudices. It doesn't mean you're loving life with no socioeconomic problems.

So what does it mean. What's the difference?
Is a working class white person living in majority BAME inner city Bradford more privileged than a middle class black person living in a majority white village in Surrey?

I think you're misunderstanding white privilege

I really don’t believe I am.... I understand that there are large number of white people in the UK with social and cultural capital that mean they are privileged. In many cases they have been able to build up that privilege through the stability afforded by their families being native to this country for generations, which you can only realistically have achieved if you are of white heritage. So, yes, a subset of white people - much of the middle classes - have a privilege that non-whites will struggle to attain.

However, this privilege doesn’t exist in any meaningful way to many of the communities in our seaside and industrial towns. Their whiteness gives them no particular advantage over someone who is BAME, as exemplified by the fact their educational results are the poorer than any BAME group, and white people form super-majorities in the most deprived areas of the country.

White privilege is a lazy and divisive generalisation that perpetuates the marginalisation of many majority white communities in this country.

Remember when people used to actually learn what something meant before criticising?

People arnt thinking 'what a genius' everytime you say 'yeah but hes white and poor'.

People in our seaside towns are unlikely to face discrimination, racism or difficulties in life based upon the colour of their skin. Nor are they likely to face discrimination in recruitment, education or from other institutions.

In fact worrying about the impact that the colour of their skin might have on their life is something that they don't do.

Ever heard of the CV test? Every year they do it and come back with the verdict