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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Tombliwho · 16/01/2020 10:56

I'm getting Zilla vibes from what you've posted about her. I predict she's going to go a bit loopy and stalky

TopOftheNaughtyList · 16/01/2020 10:59

Just caught up on your thread OP and this stood out to me

I've had some health scares over the last year, which she knows, so I probably also haven't been such a great friend to her as I normally would be

You've been taking her DD to club for 2 years!, taking the mother shopping regularly, accepting her parcels and delivering them to her. You are going above and beyond being a great friend but you don't seem to be able to see that. I'm pleased that you are working on your assertiveness this year as you really, really need to start saying no occasionally.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 16/01/2020 11:03

God here's a CF if ever there was one. OP convo goes like this:
Op: please can you get to me by 6pm?
Cf: but we want that extra time at home.
Op: sorry but getting to you in rush hour is making me late and leaving me not enough time to sort dinner. If you want to benefit from a lift with us, you need to be at ours for 6pm. If that doesn't work you can of course make your own way there.

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 11:04

Thanks everyone. HeidiHoNeighbour, that's very true, lol.

To answer some questions, I really don't mind about the parcels, it's only if she can't arrange it to come when she's home, and last year was only about 10 parcels, and the last 4 or 5 I've just given her when I drop her dd back from club, even if it's meant I've kept them for a day or two. I've just told her they've arrived and that I'll give them to her when I drop her dd off on Friday.

To the pp who asked why I haven't mentioned it before even though I've been stressed for a while; it's partly because it's been easier not to and partly because I've only seen her 3 times in the last 5 months, one of which was a few weeks ago.

I was thinking about things the other day and remembered how much less stressed I felt in the summer when her dd came to me, so I just texted to let her know. It never occurred to me that she would have a problem with this.

I've sent this text:

Hi, just in case it wasn't clear yesterday; I'm happy to continue doing you a favour by taking Y to and from club on Fridays, but I can no longer pick her up from yours. She needs to be at mine for 6pm as that's when I'll be leaving from now on. If she's not here I'll assume she's not going. If this doesn't suit you anymore you'll have to make other arrangements. Take care.

OP posts:
BlackCatSleeping · 16/01/2020 11:08

Great text!! I hope she realizes how rude she’s been.

Highonpotandused · 16/01/2020 11:09

Perfect text OP 👍🏼

PerkyPomPoms · 16/01/2020 11:09

Good luck!

GaraMedouar · 16/01/2020 11:14

Well done OP , it is hard to be assertive when you're not actually, but that's a great text. Smile

user133367 · 16/01/2020 11:14

Haven't RTFT. But since you are keen not to lose this friendship, I would possibly reply that you will pick them up today due to the high winds (if you have them like a lot of the country) but you need to explain. Then during the activity, explain clearly that 15 minutes in the opposite direction out of your 35 to get ready is a big chunk and you have been very stressed about it. Maybe if she doesn't drive she hasn't realised about the extra time with traffic, and maybe she hasn't realised how little time you have. You could always offer to pick up if it is yellow warning weather or lashing it down but otherwise they need to give something back and make an effort.

TorkTorkBam · 16/01/2020 11:15

Excellent text. Are you in people-pleaser terror awaiting her reply? Grin

Highonpotandused · 16/01/2020 11:16

@user133367 she’s already texted a much better response Wink

lola006 · 16/01/2020 11:17

Well done, OP! People often hear SAHM and just think you’re sat waiting to be asked to do something. Not only is that not the case with most SAHM’s I know (including myself!) but it’s also not your job to defend what you do.

I noticed a few pages back you mentioned charity, helping an old lady, etc. That’s lovely of you but it’s equally no ones business other than yours and your DP (who I’m assuming earns enough for you stay at home). Don’t get sucked into a “I do x and y and z”, I even avoid it here on mumsnet!

I’ve been driving my DD’s friend to a sport for months now due to the mum dealing with a debilitating illness. But we’re friends and I feel like we’re friends - she texts me to ask how I’m doing, she invites me to hers to catch up, I’ve gotten a couple bottles of wine. Nothing major but it keeps me happy to continue. You should at least feel appreciated.

WeHaveSnowdrops · 16/01/2020 11:26

Excellent text, OP.

billyt · 16/01/2020 11:27

I agree with turning your phone off for a short period before the club journey. Otherwise she'll be guilt-tripping until you pick the daughter up.

Stay strong OP

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 11:28

@TorkTorkBam, that's actually a great way of looking at it, which helps as I do feel guilty/feel my time is less important, thanks.

I'm definitely not backing down, if I lose the friendship over it then that's her choice, and just shows we weren't proper friends as many of you have said.

I do just think she's become so used to me doing it that she's forgotten it's a favour and I know this time of year is stressful where she works, so I'm hoping it's just that, rather than feeling entitled to my help.

OP posts:
FraglesRock · 16/01/2020 11:28

Good text. And if she continues to be cheeky then I'd just ignore it, leave at 6pm as normal and don't answer any texts.

HouseworkAvoider10 · 16/01/2020 11:45

placemarking.

Phineyj · 16/01/2020 11:47

Well done. It's only going to take one incidence of leaving without her daughter to learn her I expect!

khaleesiofthegreatgrasssea · 16/01/2020 11:58

Bloody perfect OP Flowers

carly2803 · 16/01/2020 12:14

perfect text OP

shes a cheeky cow!!!

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 16/01/2020 12:17

Perfect text.

WillLokireturn · 16/01/2020 12:50

Hi, just in case it wasn't clear yesterday; I'm happy to continue doing you a favour by taking Y to and from club on Fridays, but I can no longer pick her up from yours. She needs to be at mine for 6pm as that's when I'll be leaving from now on. If she's not here I'll assume she's not going. If this doesn't suit you anymore you'll have to make other arrangements. Take care.

Fantastic text @Whiskychaser

WillLokireturn · 16/01/2020 12:55

@whiskychaser

Just to say, don't let the 'friend' or her DD change the rules where she starts turning up at your house after school or too early. Her mum or dad can walk her over to you for just before 6 after feeding her. From what you've said , your DD finds her DD a bit over bearing and you don't want extra at stress for you or your DD having to cater for another child. The offer is to turn up ready for club not 'after school care' on Fridays.

MistyCloud · 16/01/2020 13:11

@Whiskeychaser YANBU.

MistyCloud · 16/01/2020 13:11

FFS, the world is littered with cheeky fuckers not caring LESS about others, and always putting themselves and their selfish needs first.

There's the thread from earlier about people blocking people in their drives to make life easier for THEM, and the cheeky fuckers like the woman the OP is on about. Users, and tosspots.

I also know several people who cadge lifts constantly, and never ever offer petrol money, and expect the driver to go an extra 4-7 miles out of their way (10 to 20 minutes) everytime they pick them up/drop them off. Such. A. Cheek!

I have also known some people who are CONSTANTLY late. Like 15 to 30 minutes late. ALWAYS. Like they think their time is more important than that of the person they're meeting, and they are so superior and noble and special, that everyone should wait to be graced by their presence. Rarely a reason for their lateness, never an apology.

So many entitled people, and I don't know why - or how - they are like like this. I could never be like this.

I also had a few occasions @Whiskeychaser (when mine were at school,) that were exactly like your issue now. My DC's friends parents, happily letting me ferry their kids about (as I was going anyway and they couldn't drive/didn't drive.)

As you say it's nice and kind to offer/do it if you are able and are going anyway, but there does come a time when it reaches 'cheeky fucker' level.

One time my DD was friends with 2 girls who lived half a mile away (6 houses apart...) The school was 3 miles away. (So they lived 2.5 miles from it, and we lived 3 miles away from it.) They started to come to our house to go to school with DD, and they all got the bus which was 2 minutes walk from our house.

Then after 3 or 4 months, they curtailed the buses, and it no longer went from a bus stop that was 2 minutes walk away. So it was then a 15 - 20 minute walk from our house... So I started taking DD in the car, (and had to take these 2 girls too, as they still kept coming, even though they had a bus stop only 3 or 4 minutes walk from where they lived!) Confused

Then after 2 months or so of starting to drive them to the school, one of the mums asked if I could start dropping 'Chloe' off at her nan's after school, instead of her home (which was on the way to mine and DD's house.)

Except nan's house was 2 miles away from the school in the opposite direction. So she expected me to do an extra 4 miles on top of the 6 that I was already doing. Then after another month or so, this same CF mum starting asking me (some days) to pick her DD up from the nan's in the morning too...

So I had to trek there before school to get her! (more fool me I know.) I did this for about another month and a half - and then my work hours changed slightly and it became troublesome (like with the OP.)

So me and DH made the decision to say 'nope' can't do it anymore, and told both mums that it was inconvenient now, and their daughters will have to make their own way to school and back (or to their nan's!) We told them that the girls couldn't come to ours in the morning now as it was becoming difficult with our schedule.

A few days later, this one mum (who asked me to take her DD to her nan's,) started slagging me off on facebook, saying I was a fucking liar, and had thrown her daughter to the wolves to make her own way from school in the dark... Confused

Followed by a bunch of comments saying 'OMG hun wot a bitch. Lying 2 ya lyke dat.' And throwing sympathy at her and her DD, when we had been doing her and her DD a family a favour for a good 7-8 months.

I just blocked the stupid cow. But then the 2 girls fell out with my DD and made life hard for her at school for about 3 or 4 months, which is why I can understand the OP's reluctance to make waves IYSWIM.

I have many tales to tell, about cheeky fuckers dumping their children on me and DH. One other was a few parents got their child/children to come play with my DC - at OUR house - because they 'like it better at ours.' And then they would not come to get them when they said, and would not being contactable for 2 or 3 hours after their child was meant to be picked up.

We even used to take the child home (sometimes,) and the parents were not in, so we had to go back home and look after the child in question until the parents turned up!

Fuck me, I am so glad I've left those years behind. I swear that now I would not do it, but the younger, more timid, people-pleasing me got walked on and used because I rarely said no.

Don't be that person OP. And good on ya, for sending that text....

'Hi, just in case it wasn't clear yesterday; I'm happy to continue doing you a favour by taking Y to and from club on Fridays, but I can no longer pick her up from yours. She needs to be at mine for 6pm as that's when I'll be leaving from now on. If she's not here I'll assume she's not going. If this doesn't suit you anymore you'll have to make other arrangements. Take care..

That's fab! And stick to your guns!!! Grin

@WillLokireturn

Just to say, don't let the 'friend' or her DD change the rules where she starts turning up at your house after school or too early. Her mum or dad can walk her over to you for just before 6 after feeding her. From what you've said , your DD finds her DD a bit over bearing and you don't want extra at stress for you or your DD having to cater for another child. The offer is to turn up ready for club not 'after school care' on Fridays.

Yep this. ^ The parents are grade A cheeky fuckers, so make sure they don't start dumping the girl on you for longer periods.

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