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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
justranout · 23/01/2020 08:55

Don't send the text

I know from bitter experience. You're dealing with a cf. she wants what she wants and she doesn't care who she hurts in the process.

She's brought your dd into it. And her dd.

I had a mum tell me her son was crying his eyes out all the way to school because he wasn't invited to ds's birthday. I replied he seemed fine when I saw him at the gates. Don't let someone emotionally blackmail you.

It didn't end well for me. After the party she made her son basically bully ds and saying it was a shit party etc. (Ds didn't want to invite him because he'd been hitting him). So yeah it didn't get any better.

If anything I would send a text saying to stop involving your dd in this. It is between the adults. Hate it when cfs involve children in their battles.

cologne4711 · 23/01/2020 08:55

This is all so stupid anyway. By mid-Feb it will be light at 6!

TheMaddHugger · 23/01/2020 08:55

I did warn about the double down and Extinction Burst.

Don't send anything.

cstaff · 23/01/2020 08:56

Leave it all up to her. She is the one making a scene about the favours you have been doing for her for two years. She may not want to acknowledge it but that is the case.

TBH going on her daughters behaviour in school I am not sure I would want her at the club with your dd. As you said earlier your dd started out on her own at this club so you know that she is well capable of going alone again and will more than likely make plenty of GOOD friends - not users which is what this mother is turning her dd into.

Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 08:57

Oh crike the latest update is even worse!!!

She is upsetting her own daughter by cutting her nose off to spite her face all because she is demanding you pick her up so she doesnt have to walk 15 mins!

I'd say;

"Hi. Just had a really stressed DD on the phone saying that your daughter is crying because you have said that she can no longer go to the club unless I pick her up from yours as I used to do.

As I said last week, I'm happy to keep driving your dd to club for you as a favour, but as I mentioned last week I'm really struggling with getting to yours on time on Friday, so it would really help me out if X walks to mine for 6pm. If you're worried about her walking in the dark she can obviously get here for just before then, so around 5pm

I really dont feel that I'm being unfair by requesting this to give me more time on Friday evening considering I have happily given lifts to your dd to and from the club for 2 years now with nothing asked for in return."

hellsbellsmelons · 23/01/2020 08:58

so it would really help me out if X
Too wishy washy and taking blame. They are not helping you out at all. You are doing all the giving here. Do not put that in.

'As I said last week, I'm happy to keep driving your dd to club for you as a favour, but as I mentioned last week I'm really struggling with getting to yours on time on Friday and I’m not prepared to stress myself out. So X will need to walk to mine to arrive for 6pm. If you're worried about her walking in the dark she can obviously get here for just before then, so around 5pm. Stop involving my DD in this. She cannot drive. This is ME doing YOU and your DD a favour not my DD. Anything you have to say you need to come to me. I have done you hundreds of favours and helped you out a lot over the years. This is not something I am going to compromise on. If you want me to take your DD then she has to get mine. Let me know what you decide. Whiskey.'

Riddo · 23/01/2020 08:58

Your poor DD 🙁.

I wouldn't offer an earlier arrival time for CF's DD as she could end up arriving earlier. Stick to 5.55 and suggest that CF walks with her or pays for a taxi for the trip to your house.

fedup21 · 23/01/2020 09:01

Don’t send that text. Don’t text at all.

Tell your daughter to say, ‘ok-fine.’ to this horrible girl.

Asiama · 23/01/2020 09:03

OP I have been following your post. If you text back you are feeding the drama. Just ignore her but support your daughter to be resilient.

MoonGeek · 23/01/2020 09:03

She is outrageous !
The text is too long iMO. If you send something it needs to be short and snappy.
You are definitely not in the wrong here OP

Berthatydfil · 23/01/2020 09:04

Don’t send that text.
I would be ringing school - friends and her dd are bullying your dd. That’s unacceptable and needs to stop right now.

I would text her - I’m sorry you have decided to stop your dd from attending club - all because you didn’t want her to walk to my house. That’s your choice. It’s a shame you have done this and forgotten that I was happy to do you this favour for 2 years without any contribution or acknowledgement.
I know you are a single parent but my life is not without it’s issues and it’s so very disappointing you couldn’t acknowledge that or make such a small change in routine which would have benefitted me greatly.
Dd has just rung me from school upset and stressed its unacceptable you and dd are putting this kind of pressure on her about this issue and I consider it to be bullying. I’m very sorry it’s fine to this but I cannot have my dd treated like this.
Whatever you now decide I have to tell you the arrangement is now cancelled as is any help with your parcels and looking after dog in March,

PattiPrice · 23/01/2020 09:06

Do not text any further. This is now between the other girl and her mum.

I would strongly urge you not to give any lifts in either direction, not to deliver post, not to mind dogs. This relationship has rin its course. Your daughter would be better off without this relationship in her life too.

Jeezoh · 23/01/2020 09:07

I would not send that text, it’s too apologetic when you’ve done nothing wrong. How about something like “I’ve just heard from my DD that your DD can’t continue at the club if I don’t pick her up. I’ve already explained why that arrangement doesn’t work for me any more and just wanted to confirm that I’m still happy to take your DD as a favour if she can get to my house by 5.55. I realise that’s not what you’d prefer but it’s all I can offer. I hope the girls can move on from this as I’d hate for a disagreement between us to affect their friendship.”

Berthatydfil · 23/01/2020 09:07

It’s come to this - not fine to this

herbie01 · 23/01/2020 09:08

her friend isn't allowed to go even if we drive her (because of my behaviour!),

^ That says if all right there.
The mother has reached new levels of CFery.
DO NOT TEXT HER AT ALL!
Now CF mum has decreed that her DD is not allowed to go EVEN IF YOU DRIVE HER, then any attempt by you to sort lifts out on your terms will still be seen as co concilatory on your part. I know this affects your DD, but if you can help it, leave CF mum to sort it. Avoid giving her "power" by texting first.

Hope your DD is ok - perhaps keep school staff up to date in case this escalates at school, or even let her stay home for the day so she doesn't have to deal with "friend" until after Club?

Nomorelaundry · 23/01/2020 09:14

I would get your DD to reply with
' I'm sorry your mum isn't helping you out'

But do not text her at all.

LannieDuck · 23/01/2020 09:14

It's all been done over text so far, hasn't it? And nothing discussed when you saw her last friday?

I think it's time for a phone call, or a face-to-face chat. It sounds like it's all getting quite nasty and passive aggressive.

eddielizzard · 23/01/2020 09:17

NO TEXT!! The mum is being so underhand and manipulative by going through her DD (and yours). Don't dignify it by acknowledging it's worked.

As MaddHugger said, it's the Extinction Burst and double down. Ignore it all.

You stay calm, kind and reasonable. Don't get drawn into her nonsense. And it is nonsense, you know it.

I certainly would not be looking after her dog in March. She's such an idiot, she's cutting off her nose. Now you know she isn't a friend!

user5656 · 23/01/2020 09:18

As someone said, keep it short.
"Just to remind you (again), if your dd wants a lift tomorrow, she will have to be at our house for 5.55pm"

MyLamaDontLikeYou · 23/01/2020 09:19

Another vote for NO text. Texting her will open up the conversation again.

cologne4711 · 23/01/2020 09:21

I suggested a short text, but I agree with the others now. Ignore and move on.

cakewench · 23/01/2020 09:22

As the person who always needs lifts (I have a US driving licence but not my UK one... yet) I am gobsmacked by the cheekyfuckery on display by this woman.

I don't hate the text but absolutely don't include the 'it would really help me out if' etc. Remember, you're doing the favour here.

Alternatively, just do as others have said and let DD say "I'm sorry your mum won't help out" or similar.

My advice would be slightly different if this were a BFF of your DD (my DS doesn't have many friends so we know the value of the ones he has!) but she's not so I think you've done more than your bit here. Good luck

Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 09:23

I think it's time to totally reassess your friendship with the mother anyway.

All she seems to care about is what you can do for her. When this has been changed she is kicking up a stink; that's not friendship.

Dustarr73 · 23/01/2020 09:24

I would just leave it now.You wont make her listen.But be prepared for her to slag you off.

And if her dd doesnt go to the club,thats down to her.She should have thought of this anyway.

Who sends their child to a club that far away without a back up anyway.Something was bound to happened sooner or later.

messolini9 · 23/01/2020 09:24

@Crazyoldmaurice's text is a great opening - IF you choose to text at all OP.
Hi. Just had a really stressed DD on the phone saying that your daughter is crying because you have said that she can no longer go to the club unless I pick her up from yours as I used to do.
But DO NOT appease or reiterate your position - CF already knows your position, restating it makes you look as if you need to justify it.

I would want to start with Maurice's opener, & straight into:
"WTF is wrong with you, manipulating your child into emotionally blackmailing mine?
Instead of being grateful for 2 years of lifts & accepting that I no longer have the extra 15 minutes to come to you, but need you/your DD to walk the 7 minutes to mine, you are behaving like a spoiled toddler.
You can cut that out, & still accept the favour of a lift to club & back - if DD gets to mine by 5.55. Or you can take your temper out on your child by telling her she can't go because I won't knuckle down to your unreasonable demands."

But rising above may be a more politic solution.
Ye dogs OP don't lose sleep going over the what if's & if only's.
People like your CF will never back down - even if she keeps accepting your lifts, she'll be badmouthing you while she does it.
You don't need to question yourself whatsoever about your actions & kindness in this sorry debacle.