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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Cornishclio · 22/01/2020 23:29

I would be fuming at your so called CF friends attempt to manipulate the situation. That would be enough to make me say no more lifts at all. The sticking point is your DDs view on whether she is happy to go without CFs DD.

The old saying give an inch and take a mile rings true here. She is not a friend, just a user. Stop being a people pleaser and stand up for yourself. No more lifts, taking in parcels, buying her drinks etc. The DD sounds just as bad.

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 22/01/2020 23:29

Cheeky cow! Don't give in Op.

cstaff · 22/01/2020 23:33

Oh whiskey I am so mad on your behalf. That woman has no shame. Who drags their kids into an adult argument. At this stage I would just drop her. Say nothing between now and Friday and if you are approached just tell her that it is not going to work out after her behaviour.

My only concern would be your dd. Would she be happy going on her own. Does she have other friends there. If yes, this bitch can fuck right off. Seriously - 2 years of lifts v a 15 minute walk..

morrisseysquif · 22/01/2020 23:34

What is the issue about walking in the street after dark? I travelled across my city to school and got home at 4.45pm each evening when it was dark in the winter.

YANBU, by the way. I like what Sweet Marmalade wrote but maybe its best not to get into it.

The reasons why you need to reset the parameters here are still valid, no amount of pontificating will change that.

Basically, you are saying, 'I can't pick your DD up and she is saying 'you can and you will'.

Whiskeychaser · 22/01/2020 23:36

Well, from what my dd has said I'm only assuming the mum knows what her dd has said at school.

I did ask her to text her earlier and confirm something and her reply was "my mum doesn't want me walking in the dark" and then "my mum's coming too and doesn't see why she should have to walk as she's been working hard all week".

I'm actually gobsmacked by the sense of entitlement she's showing.

OP posts:
SweetMarmalade · 22/01/2020 23:38

I just think if this is going to spill out at school and affect your DD, try and make the cf see sense without her realising what you’re doing. She’s being a stubborn cf! Who’d pay for a taxi rather than walking no distance! Silly woman!

QueenofallIsee · 22/01/2020 23:38

Doesn’t see why? The cheeky bitch should see why she has to walk seeing as the vehicle that she wishes to utilise is not at her house. OP, I’d sack it off and call the friendship dead in the water. She is a user and has zero respect for you or your DD.

Seriously, give her a round of fucks, you’ll feel better

fedup21 · 22/01/2020 23:38

"my mum's coming too and doesn't see why she should have to walk as she's been working hard all week

I wouldn’t ever give them a lift again.

Daftodil · 22/01/2020 23:40

@FelicisNox

This is the problem when you commit to things and then change your mind.

So if you agree to something you have to do it forever? You can't change your mind 2 years down the line because circumstances/schedules change in that time?! Wow.

OP, maybe discuss things in the car on the way home in front of the daughters (if you end up driving everyone home, which I expect you will!). You don't know whether the guilt trip is coming from mum or daughter. Perhaps it is the daughter refusing to walk rather than the mum stopping her. I'd say something when everyone is there like "see you at 6 next week if you want a lift instead of the taxi", just so the DD knows you haven't refused her a lift and there aren't any hard feelings from your side.

Good luck OP!

BlackCatSleeping · 22/01/2020 23:40

Well, the reason she has to walk is because they don’t have a car. If you have a car, you can drive. If you don’t, then it’s not that simple really.

There’s a saying: “You can’t reason with crazy.” I think it applies here. Disengage and let her sort herself out. What else can you do?

MyDressHasPockets · 22/01/2020 23:40

I would not respond to any message that was coming through your daughter. How fucking dare she try to emotional blackmail your daughter.

Your daughter sounds sensible so hopefully she understands your position on this and is able to see that they are taking the piss. To be honest even if your daughter is upset about the friend not going it is good to teach her how to stand up to cheeky fuckers and not be manipulated by them.

Like you I am the one chauffeuring children to clubs and offering lifts and the situation you are in would really upset me. I would ignore the shitty behaviour and not get in touch. I would wait for them to contact me and if/when they do just repeat that you are leaving your house at 6pm on Friday and if daughter is there by that time then she can have a lift. If any further argument or nastiness then I would go NC with the mother, withdraw the offer of a lift for the daughter to the club and not drop home either.

cstaff · 22/01/2020 23:43

That comment would finish it off for me. Sounds like the daughter is already a junior version of her mum. I really hope this doesn't affect your dd too much as going on what you have said tonight that would be me finished with this pair.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 22/01/2020 23:47

I would simply respond with “that’s a shame. Hopefully you’ll find a club closer to home that your daughter likes. If you change your mind, you know where I live. xx”. 😁

Whiskeychaser · 22/01/2020 23:47

I've told my dd to say she doesn't know what's going on and that her mum should talk to me or text me about it, as I'm really not happy involving her in this way.

I'm actually lost for words. Shock

OP posts:
T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 22/01/2020 23:48

Sorry I mean ‘that you like’.

mummmy2017 · 22/01/2020 23:50

Just text back, ok got your message, if your not at mine by 6 will see you at the club.

Pumpkintopf · 22/01/2020 23:53

Good for you op, keep it between you and Cf mum.

Is your dd bothered if her friend does stop going?

Honeyroar · 22/01/2020 23:58

I don’t think it would even be a bad thing for your daughter to go to the group alone. The daughter is like her mother- other friends might be better!

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 23/01/2020 00:01

Actually I like the idea of calling their bluff since they are easy targets and they don't deserve any more lifts, so "your daughter explained that she won't be at the club on Friday, thanks for letting me know" will do. You know they're expecting (not hoping) that you cave in. Her attitude last week with the taxi there and lift home, followed by her daughter's message today shows that you're on a final warning. 😂

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 23/01/2020 00:03

And while we completely understand you not mentioning what they do at this club on Friday, oh the irony if it uses any more energy than a seven minute walk!

Mrsmummy90 · 23/01/2020 00:10

Omg the mum needs a slap! How fucking dare she expect anything you when she brings nothing to the 'friendship' in return. Also, how DARE she emotionally blackmail your child.
I am fuming on your behalf!

bumblingbovine49 · 23/01/2020 00:10

You see, I am a bit of.a coward and would have told her I had as new commitment that meant I would be home around 5.45pm so would not have time to get back a drive to pick her up.any more but could manage to take.her of she walked the 15 mins to my house in time for 6pm. Then leave it to her.

messolini9 · 23/01/2020 00:20

Oh jeeze Whiskey, this is the CF that keeps on giving!

"if you don't get your mum to pick dd up from our house on Friday, she'll have to quit the club as we can't afford a cab every week and don't want to walk and then you'll (my dd) be going there by yourself"

I agree with you that the mum has schooled her daughter in this.
Only you & your own DD can decide what you are comfortable with, but - given that 1) you are being remotely manipulated by 'friend' & 2) your DD can feel suffocated by friend's daughter - I would want her to stick to her guns with something like:

"I thought you enjoyed the club - but of it's not worth a 7 minute walk for you to get a lift there & back, obviously you don't like it as much as I do. That's a shame."

"Mum can't come to you first any more because the traffic is so bad now she doesn't get enough time between getting home & setting off again".

& if she persists - "that's a shame" - on repeat.

I am SO sorry the manipulation has been ramped up onto your DD.
Stay strong. Flowers

MsPavlichenko · 23/01/2020 00:24

It's not for you to suggest but if the walk is an issue then a short taxi ride to your house is an obvious solution. Quicker and cheaper.

But as you have identified it's not about that. It's about entitlement and a staggering absence of appreciation for your previous support/help.

PattiPrice · 23/01/2020 00:25

Just read your update.

I think I would be happier if the other girl stopped going to the club tbh.
Her last message would really make me cross. I would make arrangements to go somewhere after the club this week and every other week too. Obviously you will have to send one last message letting them know in advance ie something similar to 'I have other commitments on Fridays at 7pm (or end time) and will be unable to give your DD a lift home for the foreseeable future'. I wouldn't bother with the niceties anymore as she is not extending the same courtesy to you.

If they decide that they will walk to your home before the club starts, by all means give them a lift , but either way let them make their own way home.

It is simply too unnecessarily stressful and awkward now for both you and your DD.

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