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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
joanne2020 · 22/01/2020 11:07

Don’t engage with their reasons for wanting to be picked up just state if they want a lift they have to be at yours at said time and agree what a ball ache it all is - they don’t like it tough - you have been nothing but amenable - not fault in your actions

BlokeTarget · 22/01/2020 18:57

Going to pick up Some popcorn 🍿 ready for Friday nights taxi- gate!

Cannae wait Grin

Whiskeychaser · 22/01/2020 20:48

Seems as though it's already started at school this morning.

Looks like the mum is taking the approach to go through my dd via her dd, rather than the mum asking me directly.

I'm so angry atm, I feel like telling her to fuck off, as they're using emotional blackmail with my dd, ie,

"if you don't get your mum to pick dd up from our house on Friday, she'll have to quit the club as we can't afford a cab every week and don't want to walk and then you'll (my dd) be going there by yourself".

I'm trying to think of a way to handle it where she'll see how idiotic/stubborn/shortsighted she's being before she stops her dd doing something she enjoys.

It's like she'd rather let her dd quit than admit she was hasty and compromise . Absolutely ridiculous!!

Maybe I'm just as bad and it's me being stubborn by not backing down?? Who knows!!

OP posts:
WeHaveSnowdrops · 22/01/2020 20:50

Emotional blackmail of a child by an adult is despicable.

Tell her to back off.

CallmeAngelina · 22/01/2020 20:59

Would your dd mind going alone if the other girl stopped?

TwistedAnkle · 22/01/2020 20:59

I'm so angry on your behalf I want to send the cf this -
"I have been a good friend to you. I've driven your dd to and from club for 2 years! I asked for a tiny bit of consideration from you to help me to help you. Instead of jumping at the chance to make my life a little easier, you have chosen to be selfish and use my dd in the most emotionally manipulative way in order to suit you and only you. Shame on you! I thought you had better morals. I thought you were my friend."

FraglesRock · 22/01/2020 21:01

"Dcf
Dd has come home from school and has said your dd is confused about arrangements for Friday. Could you check with her that she knows to be at mine for 6 and that we're not making her get a taxi or quit."

That's only if you're trying to keep the peace though.

Pomegranatepompom · 22/01/2020 21:01

Don't give in to her - she thinks you will.

BlueChangeling · 22/01/2020 21:05

Wow she really has shown her true colors now.

Scarydinosaurs · 22/01/2020 21:09

Will your DD mind going alone?

I think you’re better off in the long term ditching the friendship.

CakeandCustard28 · 22/01/2020 21:10

I’d just text her and say please remind your dd to be at mine for 6 if she needs a lift. She doesn’t need to quit she just needs to walk over.
God they’re bloody lazy! I bet it’s not even that much of a walk to yours.

londonrach · 22/01/2020 21:12

Op...following update i wouldnt give lift if turned up at your house with chocolate in time...youve done this for two years and she turned nasty...avoid her and her dd

Delatron · 22/01/2020 21:14

She just sounds awful and I wouldn’t want to continue the friendship to be honest. She is just take take take. Has she ever done anything for you?

What’s a 7 minute walk?!

Will your DD mind going to the club alone? Does she really like it or have other friends there.

BlueChangeling · 22/01/2020 21:15

Tbh your probably best not even texting. You made your position very clear last week. Engaging in more text is just feeding the drama.

Whynosnowyet · 22/01/2020 21:19

Seems a great opportunity for your dd to make nicer friends...

chipmunkcalling · 22/01/2020 21:22

I would message her;
"I do t appreciate the emotional blackmail tactic you're using with your dd demanding that we pick her up, the previous arrangement no longer works for me, and if this tactic is how you want to proceed then the offer of any form of lifts or favours in general are off the table. You will not guilt trip me or my dd into anymore of your cfery. Don't you dare ask me for any favours in the future."

You've been very clear with what works for you, and after 2 years of playing taxi to her dd, it's about time she took it upon herself to get her dd to an activity she enjoys.

Also I'm a non driver, never learned to drive and don't plan on it any time soon, I would never treat any of my friends as a taxi service, that's what actual taxi services are for. I arrange things around where I can get to on foot/public transport. Even activities for my ds I arrange around where we can walk to, just so I don't have to rely on someone else to get me to places. Not every non driver is a cf like this person is.

Oriunda · 22/01/2020 21:23

I’m a SAHM but bloody busy. I have a long standing arrangement where I leave the house one afternoon 25 mins early in order to drive to collect my friend’s child from his after school club and take to the activity that he and my son do. Which is otherwise a 5 min walk from my house. If I didn’t collect him, he wouldn’t be able to go. My friend is always super grateful and gets me a lovely present at Christmas to say thank you.

Your friend isn’t a friend - she’s a user.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/01/2020 21:24

I'd message now and say

"Following your attempt to emotionally manipulate my dd about the lifts, I think it's time to draw a line under this all now. I will no longer be offering you or your dd lifts to or from the class, and will be blocking your number. If I hear that you have approached my child in this manner at school again I shall speak to the Head"

FrenchBoule · 22/01/2020 21:31

OP, your so called “friend” (although I would call her another name) must have masters in cheeky fuckery.
Cut your loses and send something along the lines of what @chipmunkcalling wrote.

OP, they are massively taking advantage of your good and kind nature and have no qualms in doing so.

“I don’t want to walk” boo fucking hoo.
And you don’t want to drive over to hers.

Set this cheeky fuckers ( your “friend” and her charming daughter) straight, otherwise they’ll walk all over you again.

Dolorabelle · 22/01/2020 21:32

Can you ring her directly & speak to her, and explain that you drive out of your way to pick up her DD, and maybe she doesn't realise what a strain this is becoming? And just keep saying that, like a broken record.

What is soooooo scary in your town/village/city/suburb that walking 15 minutes is impossible? If the mother is so worried about this, she could walk with her DD.

Your poor DD.

FrenchBoule · 22/01/2020 21:37

Or send a message “ looks like our travel arrangement has run its course and doesn’t work for any of us any longer so consider it as an end to the lifts”.

No apologies or further explanations needed.

If CF’s DD really wanted to continue the activity she would have walked to your place. She doesn’t want to so looks like she’s not too bothered.

Dustarr73 · 22/01/2020 21:37

"Following your attempt to emotionally manipulate my dd about the lifts, I think it's time to draw a line under this all now. I will no longer be offering you or your dd lifts to or from the class, and will be blocking your number. If I hear that you have approached my child in this manner at school again I shall speak to the Head"

^^^^^^^^^
This with fucking bells on

Blackbear19 · 22/01/2020 21:38

Op I'd just stay quiet. Talk to DD and find out how she feels about going alone.

Sunflower20 · 22/01/2020 21:49

Honestly you've helped her out enough, I just can't believe the cheek. And to involve the kids.....that is a new low!

BlackCatSleeping · 22/01/2020 21:55

I also wouldn't text her. It will only escalate the situation. Teaching your DD to stand up for herself and not be a push over is an important lesson too. Just reassure your daughter that this isn't about her and that it's your decision to make and that you are not being unreasonable to ask her friend to walk to your house as she did during the summer. If she ends up going alone, so be it. Tell her that if her friend mentions it again, to just say it's not down to her, it's your decision and not to engage further.

Getting into text arguments with the mum isn't going to help anyone. Take the high road here.