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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 20/01/2020 22:50

There really is no problem ‘walking in the dark’ in the early evening. Especially such a
Short journey. What do they do normally? Sit in the house and never set foot a outside after about 4.30pm in the winter because ‘it’s soooo dark’.

I think it completely depends on the specific journey. I have to do some early evening ‘walking in the dark’ through some really unpleasant routes, and I just have to pull on my big girl pants and do that because I don’t drive (and working in central London, even if I did drive I wouldn’t be able to drive to work) and Im the grownup and I need to get to and from work and the childminder and my home and so on. But sometimes it’s fucking horrible and I hate the idea of my (currently too young) children having to do it.

I’m also one of these MN people who usually doesn’t answer unexpected knocks at the door after dark too though. Grin

StoneofDestiny · 20/01/2020 23:17

Poptasmagorical

Holy shit, the CF is...... FelicisNox!

Yes - I think so to, or another user that recognised the uncomfortable truth!

Ishotmrburns · 20/01/2020 23:23

If FelicisNox is not the CF in question then I will eat my hat.

Chocmallows · 20/01/2020 23:40

If FelicisNox isn't the CFmum and is so worried for CFmum, why not pair them up?

FN can make the long drive from wherever she lives to chauffeur the CFmum and her DD to the club and back.

Heaven forbid the poor CFmum should spend 15 minutes getting her daughter to a nearby house and walking back. She may break a sweat poor dear!

SleepWarrior · 21/01/2020 00:20

I don't think I'd ask about sharing the taxi; I'd be leaving well alone personally.

If your daughter wants to retain the friendship (or even if you just want to teach her a lesson about healthy boundaries with people that take you for granted) the best chance of it being drama free and healthy is to be taking a big step back from any new lift arrangements involving the mum.

BlokeTarget · 21/01/2020 01:01

@FelicisNox for CF!

one more vote from me OP Grin

cant wait for the next round of lift roulette Friday!

Delatron · 21/01/2020 08:04

I think the way her brain works she will think you owe half of the taxi. I’d just take her out of the equation.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 21/01/2020 10:27

Just something else to keep in mind as Friday looms on the horizon. If CF Mum does send her DD in a taxi again and your DD is not offered a lift in the same taxi, I would consider telling CF Mum that it is no longer working out for you to be bringing her DD anywhere in your car and that includes dropping her home from the club. You have brought her DD to the club and back home for the past 2 years without asking for anything in return and when you let her know that it no longer suits you to go out of your way to collect her DD to bring her to the club (even though a lift there is still on the table if her DD can make it to your home by 6pm), there isn't a reciprocal arrangement, then she has made your decision for you. You will be looking after getting your own DD to the club and back home again. No further lifts will be offered at any point.

She is a user @Whiskeychaser and she doesn't like being told that she is a user.

Best of luck on Thursday/Friday as I feel there may be texts going back and forth about this.

billy1966 · 21/01/2020 10:30

@Whatcha
Completely agree.
If she brings her again by taxi and doesn't invite your DD.
I would think all bets are off.

She sounds like such a user.

purplecorkheart · 21/01/2020 10:55

I would avoid sending your daughter in the cab. It will soon end up you paying for it each and every time.

SophieGiroux · 21/01/2020 16:37

Yes she will want you to pay half of the cab as will say it's not equivalent to you driving as petrol not as expensive

letmebefrank · 21/01/2020 16:55

Petrol over 2 years.
Wear and tear over 2 years.
Insurance over 2 years.

Of course it adds up, SophieGiroux. Don't be daft.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 21/01/2020 17:01

She didn’t offer to take your ddd as she’s still waiting you to do picks up!

Whiskeychaser · 21/01/2020 17:35

Yeah, I think if she gets a cab again on Friday (without inviting my dd) and then expects me to drive them home, we'll be having words.

I realise that will make things awkward for my dd, so I will discuss this with her beforehand.

I can't decide whether to text her the day before to remind her dd to walk to me if she wants a lift, or just to leave it and see what happens on Friday.

OP posts:
eddielizzard · 21/01/2020 17:43

I wouldn't text. You've made it very clear last Friday, feels like rubbing it in if you text again. Let her text you, or not as the case may be...

mbosnz · 21/01/2020 17:50

I wouldn't text.

But if they got to the car, clearly expecting a lift back home, I'd be raising my brows a bit, saying, 'oh, so you are expecting a lift home then?'

It's all getting a bit silly on her part really. She's tired? So are you.

Whiskeychaser · 21/01/2020 18:04

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just second guessing myself, as being a natural worrier I overthink everything!

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Delatron · 21/01/2020 18:25

She’s just so rude to rock up to your car after all this and just expect to get in and be driven home! No ‘please can I have a lift’ or anything. Definitely have worDS.

cstaff · 21/01/2020 18:48

I definitely would not message her this week Whiskey. She is the one who has fucked things up for her own dd. If I was you I would want to see her crawl a bit if I'm honest. You sound way too nice to do that but I definitely would not be making things easy for her. So just stick to your plans and leave at 6pm and see what happens.

Daftapath · 21/01/2020 19:12

I wouldn't text her but would give her dd a lift if she turns up at yours in time. If she doesn't get in contact, I would be tempted to miss this week in case she catches a cab there and expects a lift home. I know it's game playing but shows the mum that she should not take you (and your lifts) for granted!

Whynosnowyet · 21/01/2020 19:22

Imo just leave it. Let her make her own true decision. See what happens. No lift home op or you really are still dancing to her tune.

Whiskeychaser · 21/01/2020 19:37

I know what you mean regarding her assuming I'll give them a lift back, but it's so not in my nature to be mean/unkind, and even though she's not behaving great, I still feel sorry for her dd (& mine) as she's caught in the middle.

Also, I doubt the mum will be coming again this week (that would be very unusual), and I couldn't leave her dd stranded there on her own.

OP posts:
WhatchaMaCalllit · 21/01/2020 22:22

Don't text her. It's up to CF Mum how her DD gets to club. If that means walking to yours and then you bring them, then that's it sorted. If that means she gets a taxi there, again, it's sorted. Don't remind her. Just let Friday happen.

cstaff · 21/01/2020 22:44

Well if that is what happens just make sure it happens on your terms. Let her get her dd to your house any which way she wants. If she is not there just go and let her be the one to make contact whether that's this week, next week or whenever. Not your problem any more.

SophieGiroux · 22/01/2020 08:07

@letmebefrank yes I'm well aware 2 years of driving a car does not add up to one taxi trip 🙄

However the CF will probably not think that way.

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